pinfireman Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 17 hours ago, Rewulf said: Im pretty sure both you and oowee have both bragged about how much you are going to make out of the disaster of Brexit (when we actually leave) To be fair , making money out of peoples 'misfortune' is all fair in love and war, Mr soros does it all the time, it gives him the money and leverage to interfere in other countries business , often to their detriment, out of chaos ,as he says in his books. So really , its a bit hypocritical to rubbish someones opinion, just because they eye up an earner out of it. Is the opinion 'on the money' or is it rubbish ? Correct! 17 hours ago, GingerCat said: Are you sure about that? The author of that article is a well known Marxist who writes plenty of books. here's the first few lines from Wikipedia Richard Seymour (born 1977) is a Northern Irish Marxist writer and broadcaster, activist and owner of the blog Lenin's Tomb. He is the author of books such as The Meaning of David Cameron (2010), Unhitched (2013), Against Austerity (2014) and Corbyn: The Strange Rebirth of Radical Politics (2016). Seymour was born in Ballymena, Northern Ireland to a Protestant family,[1] and currently lives in London. A former member of the Socialist Workers Party,[2] he left the organisation in March 2013. He completed his PhD in sociology at the London School of Economicsunder the supervision of Paul Gilroy.[3] In the past he has written for publications such as The Guardian and Jacobin. so hardly writing a factual account without any bias is he. To quote that article as some form of view point from America given its written by a uk citizen from northern Ireland and to say he's not making any money from it when that's excatly how is making money. Is quite extraordinary to say the least. careful what you take as gospel. Excellent Ginger! Glad someone else is happy to do the research to beat down the garbage often fed to us on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 14 hours ago, tandytommo said: I don't think that the man is a supporter of murderers of any kind there needs to be pragmatic dialogue in order to put a stop to mindless killing. When it comes to murdering innocent people the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah are amateurs compared to the Saudi's , Chinese, Israelis etc, who do it on an industrial scale and we still seem able to talk to them, or maybe it's just money talking. Then why does he attend memorial services for dead IRA men, but NEVER ONCE attended a memorial service for any of the 3,600 service personnel, police and civilians murdered by his "friends"! Attends similar for members of other terror organisations, but never the services for their victims! He is NOT even handed, and that is why he is widely despised, and unlikely ever to get any votes from former service personnel ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 This is interesting! https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1134375/Brexit-news-Peterborough-by-election-Brexit-Party-Conservative-Party-Paul-Bristow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 14 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: Surely it does not come as a revelation that Marcus J Ball has an agenda but it does not have a direct bearing on whether or not BoJo the clown acted inappropriately or not. If Mr Ball has done wrong then he should be held to account but it's a separate issue to BoJos antics. Truth is not an issue for you, so long as you can take a cheap shot at Boris? 14 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: I don't need to justify the use of the antics, if in any doubt look up it's definition and if you don't agree that his general buffoonery are antics then we have a difference of opinion. Do you want to rephrase your second point? Do you take a position on Tony Blair, and Alistair Campbell,s lies over "Weapons of Mas Destruction" ? 1 hour ago, SainIT said: What worries me and many outside the UK like me, is what will happen if you are forced to Remain. You have one foot in the EU and one in the UK and they certainly won’t allow that to continue if you crawl back with your tail between your legs. You will certainly not be allowed to continue with your pick-a-mix of EU regulations like now. You will be punished and made an example of. I don’t think many of you realise just how small the EU’s impact on your daily lives is at the moment. From shop hours to what you can buy in Abdul’s corner shop. What you can buy in Boots without a prescription. Protection of the yuman rights of criminals. You don’t have any protection unless you are either a politician or a criminal (often the same thing!) or a famous lefty (Sting who uses migrant labour in Italy comes to mind). Workers rights? Don’t make me laugh! But the Pound is what really sets you apart from us slaves. The Pound is why so many small people like me from all over the EU and all over the world invest in the UK. It is safe. The Euro is not. It is why you have the massive investment from the Russian mafia and why you have the massive investment from the Arabian countries. Do you think that is going to continue if you lose the Pound? And you WILL lose the Pound . You will be forced into that because it is the first thing that sets you apart from us. The first thing that allows you to be an individual country, to have a national identity. The Remainers are worried about (probably temporarily) losing a few businesses. But if you do remain, given the almost certain severe punishment awaiting you, you are probably going to lose a lot more investment that if you Brexited. Good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Both Conservative and Labour campaigns are struggling here in Peterborough, the Brexit Party and Mike Greene will hopefully have an easy time and be duly elected. The only fear is that the Labour and Conservative voters turn to the Limp/Dumbs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, pinfireman said: The only fear is that the Labour and Conservative voters turn to the Limp/Dumbs! Word on the street is a massive Brexit victory! People are normally quite reserved when discussing voting, here we have people opening conversations with "well I've voted Brexit in the postal vote". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 The "case" against Boris has open Pandoras Box...now George Galloway is seeking to bring Alistair Campbell and Tony Blair to court over lies told regarding Weapons of Mass destruction! I don,t like Galloways politics, but on this issue, I really hope he is succesful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Why don't every MP go to court as I am pretty sure they all lie about most things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 26 minutes ago, pinfireman said: The "case" against Boris has open Pandoras Box...now George Galloway is seeking to bring Alistair Campbell and Tony Blair to court over lies told regarding Weapons of Mass destruction! I don,t like Galloways politics, but on this issue, I really hope he is succesful! I wish him well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 hours ago, pinfireman said: Sorry to disapoint you, but it now seems that the figure of £350 million came from a bulletin issued by the Office for National Statistics! And just to rub salt in your wound, there is now a crowd funding exercise to take George Osborne and pals to court for lying during the Project Fear camapaign run by Remain! Not disappointed or wounded. 1 hour ago, pinfireman said: Correct! If you want to join that bandwagon then provide proof to back it up!? Excellent Ginger! Glad someone else is happy to do the research to beat down the garbage often fed to us on here! For every force there is an equal and opposite one, except for the insults and slurs, there aren't enough of us on here to stand any chance of that so we tend to pick our battles (so to speak). We know you'd like to have this thread as a one way shop where only views in support of yours are posted but democracy does not work that way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, B725 said: Why don't every MP go to court as I am pretty sure they all lie about most things. Surely not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, pinfireman said: Truth is not an issue for you, so long as you can take a cheap shot at Boris? What is truth these days, the concept is about as real as money - also, see above post on the accusation of bragging - one that you too appear to support. Bring on the truth, accept you're wrong or prove you're in fact the hypocrite!? Do you take a position on Tony Blair, and Alistair Campbell,s lies over "Weapons of Mas Destruction" ? Not sure how it's directly relevant to the subject of Brexit but I have no issue with cases being brought against either of them. In terms of the details I don't know too much about it so have no strong opinion. I believe it's OK to not have an opinion on everything.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 3 hours ago, SainIT said: What worries me and many outside the UK like me, is what will happen if you are forced to Remain. You have one foot in the EU and one in the UK and they certainly won’t allow that to continue if you crawl back with your tail between your legs. You will certainly not be allowed to continue with your pick-a-mix of EU regulations like now. You will be punished and made an example of. I don’t think many of you realise just how small the EU’s impact on your daily lives is at the moment. From shop hours to what you can buy in Abdul’s corner shop. What you can buy in Boots without a prescription. Protection of the yuman rights of criminals. You don’t have any protection unless you are either a politician or a criminal (often the same thing!) or a famous lefty (Sting who uses migrant labour in Italy comes to mind). Workers rights? Don’t make me laugh! But the Pound is what really sets you apart from us slaves. The Pound is why so many small people like me from all over the EU and all over the world invest in the UK. It is safe. The Euro is not. It is why you have the massive investment from the Russian mafia and why you have the massive investment from the Arabian countries. Do you think that is going to continue if you lose the Pound? And you WILL lose the Pound . You will be forced into that because it is the first thing that sets you apart from us. The first thing that allows you to be an individual country, to have a national identity. The Remainers are worried about (probably temporarily) losing a few businesses. But if you do remain, given the almost certain severe punishment awaiting you, you are probably going to lose a lot more investment that if you Brexited. This is a very good point and potentially one that would be a game changer for me on Brexit, it's also one of the reasons I believe we would be somewhat insulated from the down-fall of the EU if it were to occur whilst we were still members. As the path to Brexit is eroded and let's face it, the probability of Brexit diminishes on a daily basis, this could be one of the key concessions in a future government negotiating with the EU to revoke Article 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 The Brexit Thread... Over 200,000 views Over 8,000 replies No-one BANNED i apllaude all those taking part........................regardless of what has been said to each other.........reading between the lines..."if we had a strong sensible govt, that served the people and their interests and way of life....we wouldnt be in this sticky situation now....and the EU would be working for the good of the people across Europe" i think the time is coming when Parliament will realise, they have been truly rumbled....and 'a serious change is coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 hours ago, pinfireman said: The petition, as you know, was seriously hacked! Guido Fawkes proved that, with less than a couple of hundred pounds spent on a couple of your computer whizz kids, several thousand false names could be added in just a couple of hours! Including Vladimir Putin,s! Investigations are ongoing, but it is believed that less than half of the so-called votes were genuine, and that figure was only reached due to constant mention of it on the BBC and Channel 4 ! and Vladimir Putin! It was a nasty, deceitful shambles, egged on by the BBC ! Has Guido proved it wasn't pro-Brexiteers behind the hack in an attempt to undermine the validity of the vote, no need to answer, but do you see the problem here? 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Word on the street is a massive Brexit victory! People are normally quite reserved when discussing voting, here we have people opening conversations with "well I've voted Brexit in the postal vote". Don't tell me it's only commentators who are biased towards remain that are suggesting the country is split. As I have said before, if the road men are right then there really is nothing to fear from a second vote, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 17 minutes ago, ditchman said: The Brexit Thread... Over 200,000 views Over 8,000 replies No-one BANNED i apllaude all those taking part........................regardless of what has been said to each other.........reading between the lines..."if we had a strong sensible govt, that served the people and their interests and way of life....we wouldnt be in this sticky situation now....and the EU would be working for the good of the people across Europe" i think the time is coming when Parliament will realise, they have been truly rumbled....and 'a serious change is coming Have you been drinking this early again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: Have you been drinking this early again? might have been.....................wots wrong with that post...is it not insulting enough......or perhaps not aruldite enough............ look im having problems with my ingrowing toenail...it blew up wiv pus and i stuck a knife into it and it went everywhere................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Nurse, the screens please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Good post Ditchman, more wine if you find clarity of thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 32 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Has Guido proved it wasn't pro-Brexiteers behind the hack in an attempt to undermine the validity of the vote, no need to answer, but do you see the problem here? What validity ? If anyone, anywhere in the world can vote on it multiple times, what is the level of validity ? 34 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Don't tell me it's only commentators who are biased towards remain that are suggesting the country is split. I dont believe anyone is suggesting it isnt ? Where did that come from ? 35 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: As I have said before, if the road men are right then there really is nothing to fear from a second vote, surely. Me personally, I dont fear the RESULT of a second vote, its the fact of being forced into one before the first has been acted upon, can you not see the problem ? How about we have a GE , but the winner doesnt take power until its nearly time for a another one ? Or the fact that a possible 3 options get put on to the ballot to dilute a leave vote, would you be OK with that ? Maybe 60 % of the country wants out, but its split between a deal and no deal, so we end up staying ? Ive said time and time again, you cant betray democracy like that and not face consequences. One of the consequences of the mess and delay with Brexit, is the Brexit party, thats just for starters. A revocation or a 2nd vote, and you are going to annoy tens of millions of people, and among them remainers too, who will never trust the politicians to tell the truth again. Its power vacuums like that, that create chaos politics and extremists. Trust in authority is low at the moment, but dont think it cant go lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Rewulf said: A revocation or a 2nd vote, and you are going to annoy tens of millions of people, and among them remainers too, who will never trust the politicians to tell the truth again. Its power vacuums like that, that create chaos politics and extremists. Trust in authority is low at the moment, but dont think it cant go lower. The correct analysis. If you ignore the first one you open the pandora's box, who knows what will come out - people (usually the liberal and left) love to accuse UKIP or the BP of being 'far-right'. They're not far right, they're just right of centre, fortunately few living can remember a far-right government and those that can are unlikely to live in the UK. As for far left, well you have to go back to post war, pre 1980s Britain for examples of where that gets us (3 day week, no electricity, rubbish piling up, bodies piling up, food shortages), older generations (the gammons and nearly dead folk remain voters love to deride) remember these days well, that's why few will vote for Labour under Corbyn, the young however don't have the benefit of this lived experience so are happy to swallow the hollow promises of Corbynomics, hence momentum, hence appearances at Glastonbury by the new messiah. If you ask me, this country is desperate for a slight swing to the right; lighter touch for businesses, lighter taxes, more rewards if you get off your butt and work for a living, less pandering to oddball vocal, but minority, groups. The Tory party as it is, to my mind, are now left of centre. Brexit could be just the tonic this country needs. Edited May 31, 2019 by mick miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 34 minutes ago, Rewulf said: What validity ? If anyone, anywhere in the world can vote on it multiple times, what is the level of validity ? I dont believe anyone is suggesting it isnt ? Where did that come from ? Me personally, I dont fear the RESULT of a second vote, its the fact of being forced into one before the first has been acted upon, can you not see the problem ? How about we have a GE , but the winner doesnt take power until its nearly time for a another one ? Or the fact that a possible 3 options get put on to the ballot to dilute a leave vote, would you be OK with that ? Maybe 60 % of the country wants out, but its split between a deal and no deal, so we end up staying ? Ive said time and time again, you cant betray democracy like that and not face consequences. One of the consequences of the mess and delay with Brexit, is the Brexit party, thats just for starters. A revocation or a 2nd vote, and you are going to annoy tens of millions of people, and among them remainers too, who will never trust the politicians to tell the truth again. Its power vacuums like that, that create chaos politics and extremists. Trust in authority is low at the moment, but dont think it cant go lower. I will answer your questions but I think you owe me one first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, mick miller said: If you ask me, this country is desperate for a slight swing to the right; lighter touch for businesses, lighter taxes, more rewards if you get off your butt and work for a living, less pandering to oddball vocal, but minority, groups. The Tory party as it is, to my mind, are now left of centre. Brexit could be just the tonic this country needs. Cant argue with that. 1 minute ago, Raja Clavata said: I will answer your questions but I think you owe me one first? Give me a rub and Ill grant you 3 answers if you like 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Rewulf - very droll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Just now, Rewulf said: Give me a rub and Ill grant you 3 answers if you like 😄 I doubt you're my type 😛 anyway, the accusation of bragging about making money out of Brexit and therefore being a hypocrite to boot? You need to answer because, to be fair, Guido's love child stands no chance... 16 minutes ago, mick miller said: The correct analysis. If you ignore the first one you open the pandora's box, who knows what will come out - people (usually the liberal and left) love to accuse UKIP or the BP of being 'far-right'. They're not far right, they're just right of centre, fortunately few living can remember a far-right government and those that can are unlikely to live in the UK. As for far left, well you have to go back to post war, pre 1980s Britain for examples of where that gets us (3 day week, no electricity, rubbish piling up, bodies piling up, food shortages), older generations (the gammons and nearly dead folk remain voters love to deride) remember these days well, that's why few will vote for Labour under Corbyn, the young however don't have the benefit of this lived experience so are happy to swallow the hollow promises of Corbynomics, hence momentum, hence appearances at Glastonbury by the new messiah. If you ask me, this country is desperate for a slight swing to the right; lighter touch for businesses, lighter taxes, more rewards if you get off your butt and work for a living, less pandering to oddball vocal, but minority, groups. The Tory party as it is, to my mind, are now left of centre. Brexit could be just the tonic this country needs. But is it really ignoring the first vote, I don't see how it is? The position on leave is split, what other way is there to resolve this mess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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