B725 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Sums it up quite nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Am i right in thinking that the current deal proposed is the back stop changes and then Mays deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, oowee said: Am i right in thinking that the current deal proposed is the back stop changes and then Mays deal? Yes. Do you think they will accept it ? Will parliament ? Edit .https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1185990/Brexit-News-Leo-Varadkar-Boris-Johnson?fbclid=IwAR3BS3RSPk1l8yAXDoTrXqGZmrw5YfjrWjzz8RclwZMLXfu5PHcnUmH6DZg https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-plan-latest-news-parliament-proposal-meps-reject-a9138346.html Now do you see what youre up against ? Edited October 3, 2019 by Rewulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I can see what the Government is up against but I think it is largely of their making. They are still talking so who knows fingers crossed something positive comes out the other end. Talks with Labour next or the trump card from Boris? Personally I am still juggling and with poor numbers wondering when the good times will roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, oowee said: I can see what the Government is up against but I think it is largely of their making. No , the EU agreed to 'Mays' WA . The backstop (mostly) stopped it going through parliament , otherwise we would be out now on the BRINO deal. So Boris has modified it to make it more appealing to all sides, and before hes even put it in front of the house, the Irish and the EU have all but rejected it. The EU argument will be something along the lines of 'Hard(ish) border=no good, bad for Good Friday Agreement' Leaving the UK with 2 choices, no Brexit or no deal, no deal = hard border, but EU are OK with that, because it will be the fault of the UK ? No Brexit up ends parliament , GE, and most likely lets in a pro leave government , with healthy majority = no deal Brexit. If you were the EU , would you not call BJ s bluff and agree to it ? Or go **** or bust and hope Corbyn takes over government and cancels the whole thing..leading to GE and pro leave government .... Do you see the problem ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Latest YouGov poll shows 52% of the public favour a vote on Brexit rather than MPs to decide. 23% opposed and 25% didn’t know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I can see that the Tories want the 'no deal' fault to lie with the EU in case the predicted economic case comes to fruition. I can also see that the hope's of the Republic for business as usual look unattainable. I can see the EU caught between what they might like to agree to and where the Republic is. Just now, Raja Clavata said: Latest YouGov poll shows 52% of the public favour a vote on Brexit rather than MPs to decide. 23% opposed and 25% didn’t know. What is that Avatar about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, oowee said: I can see that the Tories want the 'no deal' fault to lie with the EU The EU has two choices here; Accept the Boris deal, along with a 'hardish' border, pretty much everything else they had agreed to and a sweetener of £39 bn. No deal - with a fully hard border, nothing else agreed and no £39 bn (well at least not much of it). It should be a 'common sense' to agree to the deal - which is hardly what the Tories would offer if they wanted the EU to be 'at fault' - but then 'common sense' doesn't work on people with no common sense (like the arrogant fool, Verhofstadt) and many of the EU 'seniors'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, oowee said: What is that Avatar about? I thought the same about yours 🤪 For the record she’s a friend of mine who gave me permission to use her pic😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: For the record she’s a friend of mine Nice smile! Better than the dog I'm stuck with..... Edited October 3, 2019 by Retsdon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Retsdon said: Nice smile! Better than the dog I'm stuck with..... I’ll be putting a pic of my mutt up next 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I thought the same about yours 🤪 For the record she’s a friend of mine who gave me permission to use her pic😎 A friends daughter, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 minute ago, panoma1 said: A friends daughter, surely? Back to Brexit eh🤪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I would post some friend's but my dog wont like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 A small perversion of the truth EU style. Introducing Walter Hallstein From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search His Excellency Walter Hallstein 1st President of the European Commission In office 7 January 1958 – 30 June 1967 Vice President Sicco Mansholt Preceded by Position established Succeeded by Jean Rey Member of the Bundestag In office 28 September 1969 – 19 November 1972 Constituency Neuwied Personal details Born Walther [sic] Peter Hallstein[a] 17 November 1901Mainz, Germany Died 29 March 1982 (aged 80)Stuttgart, West Germany Resting place Waldfriedhof Cemetery,Stuttgart, Germany Political party Christian Democratic Union Alma mater Friedrich Wilhelm University The EU records him as being a reluctant member of the German armed forces.On the Official website of the European Union, they state Walter Hallstein was drafted into the Nazi armed forces “despite his hostility towards Nazism.” they do not mention any political or other connections to the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. However, Hallstein was actually a prominent nazi. The founding President of the European Union Walter Hallstein was a Nazi officer during the second world war and according to the Dr Rath Foundation a ‘Key’ Nazi Germany diplomat. In an article published on the Dr Rath Foundation website, Paul Anthony Taylor the Executive Director of the Dr. Rath Health Foundation and one of the co-authors of the book “The Nazi Roots of the ‘Brussels EU“, writes about how he finds it curious that the European Union “tries to rewrite, or even erase, some of the most important facts about its history.” Walter Hallstein. Mr Taylor points out the the European Union give “no mention whatsoever to the fact that before and during World War Two Hallstein was a member of official Nazi organizations.” He continues: “The Association of National Socialist German lawyers was founded in 1933, immediately after the Nazis had seized power in the Nation. In 1936 it was converted into the Nazi Association of Law Protectors. Membership of this second organisation was restricted to those individuals showing uncompromising support for, and participation in, the implementation of Nazi ideology. In a memorandum sent by Hallstein to the representative of the Nazi government at the University of Rostock in Germany in 1935, Hallstein stated he was a member of both these organizations.“https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/revealed-first-president-of-the-european-commission-was-a-n-officer/?fbclid=IwAR2f2CuXj1V1zbDfoxOhngv0YBl9PuhrGVtaIRCrjA56kmtbFLbQ49pMSMU 4th reich anyone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Won't take long for that to be contested. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Ya vol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 'Another close friend of Heath was Eric Roll, later to become Baron Roll of Ipsden and a member of the British House of Lords. Roll was also a frequent Bilderberg meeting attendee and a member of the group’s powerful steering committee. 10 But Bide and Roll were by no means Heath’s only controversial associates. After French President Charles de Gaulle had vetoed Britain’s entry into the Brussels EU during the 1960s, Heath invited the ex-Nazi lawyer Walter Hallstein, by then President of the European Commission, to Chequers, his prime ministerial country residence, to examine why the entry had failed. 11 This visit was one of several that Hallstein made to Chequers during Heath’s tenure as Edward Heath, British Prime Minister between 1970 and 1974, was well-connected with the elite of the Cartel and delivered Britain into the hands of the Brussels EU in 1973. Behind the scenes, during the decade leading up to Britain joining the EU in 1973, Hallstein and Heath met on numerous occasions and worked closely together. In recognition of their close working relationship, Hallstein even contributed the foreword to the German edition of Andrew Roth’s 1973 book, ‘Edward Heath - Ein Mann für Europa’. 12 From this, by his own account, it is clear Hallstein used Heath as his barometer for determining the political temperature before official meetings and negotiations on the UK’s application to join the EU bloc. Promising to be at Heath’s side in pushing through Britain’s membership, it is equally clear that Hallstein was determined for the country to join the Brussels EU regardless of any opposition from the British people. Notably, therefore, Hallstein summed up Heath’s role in delivering Britain into the arms of the Brussels EU by stating outright that: “The success of this battle was, to a decisive extent, his victory.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Zut alors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Hallstein’s vision for a Brussels EU dictatorship In his book, Europe In The Making, published in 1972, Hallstein proved definitively that his vision for a European dictatorship hadn’t changed. He wrote that the European Commission is entrusted with what virtually amounts to a monopoly in taking the initiative in all matters affecting Europe. There are few exceptions to this rule, he said, but they ought to be removed at the earliest opportunity. Hallstein also wrote that the unelected European Commission should eventually be empowered to take all measures necessary for the implementation of Europe’s laws, without having to rely on approval by even the Council of Ministers, the European body in which national government ministers meet. For the people of Great Britain, all this raises some profound questions – particularly regarding Hallstein’s relationship with former British prime minister Edward Heath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 4th Reich indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Remainer smear campaign reaches new lows . Apparently it is antisemitic, and a 'trope of the far right ' to call someone , 'A remoaner funder in chief ' the comment 'triggered' several recipients of cash from said remoaner funder in chief, and calls for the leader of the HOC to be sacked, and likely if they had their way ..executed by firing squad Nobody slags off sugar daddy and gets away with it apparently. https://www.indy100.com/article/jacob-rees-mogg-antisemitism-george-soros-house-commons-speaker-tory-9142691 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Zut alors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: Zut alors! There appears to be an anchor in here...there appears... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Gordon Bennett is having a rest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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