The Next General Election.

[Rewulf]

2 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Do you have a link?

If you are in discussion with the author tell him it’s a fantastic piece. 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/bruges.group/

https://quillette.com/2019/12/13/britains-labour-party-got-woke-and-now-its-broke/

 

[chrisjpainter]

49 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I saw this on Facebook and thought it a good summary, a lot of people are saying that it was Brexit that destroyed Corbyns labour, I believe that only part of the issue.

"One of the best takes I’ve read on why Corbyn was always going to lose! From Pete North and he is oop Norff, in Bradford.

“If you believe working class people voted Tory because they're hapless dupes with no agency, taken in by the tabloid press, and now the Tories will "punish the poor" and sell off the NHS to Donald Trump, it's you who's taken in by carefully crafted propaganda messages. You're the gullible one. They played right into your  conceited belief that you are smarter and morally superior than the rest of us. 

When voters looked at Corbyn's Labour they saw a party that had abandoned them in favour of well off middle class progressives and adolescents too young to remember the stagnation of socialism. A predatory party playing on the ignorance of the young and the greed of the self-entitled. That is an affront to the British work ethic and innate sense of fairness. 

Labour lost because they deserved to lose. 

Britain was never going to vote for a far left prospectus because we are not a nation of serfs waiting to be rescued by our betters and we aren't so easily bribed with our own money. 

The left will continue to lose elections for as long as they hold ordinary people in contempt and patronise them, believing they are entitled to the votes of the working class. 

To say working class Tory voters are turkeys voting for Christmas is the very essence of that losing arrogance. Brits aren't stupid. They know free stuff from the government comes with a price tag. If you haven't worked that out, you're the gullible one. Get over yourself.”

 

Similar sentiments to those expressed by Jess Phillips when she was interviewed about a possible leadership bid. She said the Labour needs to take a long hard look at itself, to stop patronising voters and not talk down to them. She even went on to say the Labour Party has been 'self indulgent' and needs the country to be a bit 'superior' towards the Labour Party for a while! Less of London moneyed Corbynites coming up to tell them what to think and more of listening to what they already think

[panoma1]

57 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I saw this on Facebook and thought it a good summary, a lot of people are saying that it was Brexit that destroyed Corbyns labour, I believe that only part of the issue.

"One of the best takes I’ve read on why Corbyn was always going to lose! From Pete North and he is oop Norff, in Bradford.

“If you believe working class people voted Tory because they're hapless dupes with no agency, taken in by the tabloid press, and now the Tories will "punish the poor" and sell off the NHS to Donald Trump, it's you who's taken in by carefully crafted propaganda messages. You're the gullible one. They played right into your  conceited belief that you are smarter and morally superior than the rest of us. 

When voters looked at Corbyn's Labour they saw a party that had abandoned them in favour of well off middle class progressives and adolescents too young to remember the stagnation of socialism. A predatory party playing on the ignorance of the young and the greed of the self-entitled. That is an affront to the British work ethic and innate sense of fairness. 

Labour lost because they deserved to lose. 

Britain was never going to vote for a far left prospectus because we are not a nation of serfs waiting to be rescued by our betters and we aren't so easily bribed with our own money. 

The left will continue to lose elections for as long as they hold ordinary people in contempt and patronise them, believing they are entitled to the votes of the working class. 

To say working class Tory voters are turkeys voting for Christmas is the very essence of that losing arrogance. Brits aren't stupid. They know free stuff from the government comes with a price tag. If you haven't worked that out, you're the gullible one. Get over yourself.”

 

That seems pretty accurate to me! The hard left, Trots, Marxists etc, despise ordinary people who are not political, and are even more contemptuous of those who don’t agree with their extremist views!

[Mice!]

7 hours ago, grrclark said:

really should read forward through a thread and not backwards, just saw this after posting the link about AJ's rant to Lansman.

We'll let you off, I often do this when you realise your 4 or 5 pages behind. 

6 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Graham it was a wonderful evening, just a shame I was at work the next day!

It was like watching a great sporting,  it was around 4am when I finally went to bed, I also have a different body clock working shifts but I just couldn't turn it off watching places turn blue that had always been red.

2 hours ago, Dibble said:

Stephen Kinnock comes across as a nice bloke but.

I didn't think so,  best comment was someone saying his dad should have stood instead of Corbyn. 

[panoma1]

10 minutes ago, Mice! said:

I didn't think so,  best comment was someone saying his dad should have stood instead of Corbyn. 

What, and take a massive pay cut? 🐷 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

3 hours ago, TRINITY said:

If Corbyn and momentum have real influence burgon  will be right up with the front runners. He is a real obnoxious left wing reptile and he has been given a lot of high profile media gigs. Also high up in shadow cabinet. 

He is definitely my choice and I have just had a little tipple on him at 80/1 with skybet. If you like a gamble chaps check him out and get your money on at those generous odds. 

Watch this;

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1216632/andrew-neil-bbc-news-uk-election-2019-results-polls-latest-update-video

[chrisjpainter]

The maths of this general election is very odd. In 2005, Labour won in another landslide. 355 out of 646 seats. This time round they have 152 fewer seats - but their share of the vote is down only 3%. By contrast, the tories got 49 more seats this time round compared to 2017, but their share of the vote only increased by 1.2% to 44.6%. 

Not sure what that says, but it's a thing, for sure!

[ditchman]

has diane abbot thrown her hat in the ring to be chosen as the next leader of the labour.......?

[Newbie to this]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

I saw this on Facebook and thought it a good summary, a lot of people are saying that it was Brexit that destroyed Corbyns labour, I believe that only part of the issue.

"One of the best takes I’ve read on why Corbyn was always going to lose! From Pete North and he is oop Norff, in Bradford.

“If you believe working class people voted Tory because they're hapless dupes with no agency, taken in by the tabloid press, and now the Tories will "punish the poor" and sell off the NHS to Donald Trump, it's you who's taken in by carefully crafted propaganda messages. You're the gullible one. They played right into your  conceited belief that you are smarter and morally superior than the rest of us. 

When voters looked at Corbyn's Labour they saw a party that had abandoned them in favour of well off middle class progressives and adolescents too young to remember the stagnation of socialism. A predatory party playing on the ignorance of the young and the greed of the self-entitled. That is an affront to the British work ethic and innate sense of fairness. 

Labour lost because they deserved to lose. 

Britain was never going to vote for a far left prospectus because we are not a nation of serfs waiting to be rescued by our betters and we aren't so easily bribed with our own money. 

The left will continue to lose elections for as long as they hold ordinary people in contempt and patronise them, believing they are entitled to the votes of the working class. 

To say working class Tory voters are turkeys voting for Christmas is the very essence of that losing arrogance. Brits aren't stupid. They know free stuff from the government comes with a price tag. If you haven't worked that out, you're the gullible one. Get over yourself.”

 

[Mice!]

15 minutes ago, ditchman said:

has diane abbot thrown her hat in the ring to be chosen as the next leader of the labour.......?

We were shouting in the beating line for her today but couldn't find her, we found an odd shoe though.

[TRINITY]

2 hours ago, ditchman said:

has diane abbot thrown her hat in the ring to be chosen as the next leader of the labour.......?

The bookies think so she is in the running at 66/1

[Newbie to this]

2 hours ago, ditchman said:

has diane abbot thrown her hat in the ring to be chosen as the next leader of the labour.......?

 

5 minutes ago, TRINITY said:

The bookies think so she is in the running at 66/1

Please let it be Diane Abbott.

[JohnfromUK]

2 hours ago, ditchman said:

has diane abbot thrown her hat in the ring to be chosen as the next leader of the labour.......?

She threw in two right hand shoes

[Mice!]

3 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

She threw in two right hand shoes

She threw in her keys and everyone else left.

Winner 

[Rewulf]

Corby has decided he sort of won the election really.... 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/14/we-won-the-argument-but-i-regret-we-didnt-convert-that-into-a-majority-for-change

[TIGHTCHOKE]

He should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act!

Edited December 15, 2019 by TIGHTCHOKE

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

Corby has decided he sort of won the election really....

Best one I heard was a Labour female saying they lost because Corbyn & Co had offered a 'mainly social democratic' manifesto and not the proper 'radical reforming socialism' manifesto that people wanted!

Quite frightening really how anyone can genuinely think that.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Until JC can accept his part in the poor result, he should avoid commenting!

 

He and his party's campaign was just NOT TRUSTED by enough voters, look at how the "RED WALL" of traditional Labour seats COLLAPSED.

 

THe Party has but 5 years to address the situation, we as a country need a good oposition to keep the Government honest and to hold them to account. 

 

At the moment Boris and Co have a clear run.

Edited December 15, 2019 by TIGHTCHOKE
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[mel b3]

32 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

He should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act!

He's right about one thing , and that's how far trust has broken down in politics . Over the last couple of years especially  , the politicians of all all parties have shown themselves to be little more than lying cheating scoundrels,and many of them seem to be on the very edge of lunacy , it's been difficult to find a shred of integrity in any of them . Myself, like many millions of other voters , didn't vote for johnson by choice , we were just scared to death of Corbyn.  I read something over on sd , trying to choose a political side in this year's general election , was like looking into a bucket of ***** , and trying to choose the one that was least smelly.

One glimmer of hope , is that Boris Johnson has recognised and acknowledged this , we can only hope that he remembers it as the country moves into our uncertain future.

[JohnfromUK]

4 minutes ago, mel b3 said:

Over the last couple of years especially  , the politicians of all all parties have shown themselves to be little more than lying cheating scoundrels,and many of them seem to be on the very edge of lunacy , it's been difficult to find a shred of integrity in any of them

True, but the underlying thing for me was this difference;

• I believe Johnson fundamentally likes and wishes to retain this country much as it has been with its traditions and history, flawed as they may be - and that is how many of us like it
• Corbyn on the other hand hates most of what this country stands for and its traditions, and history - and wants to 'radically reform' it.

That was a decider for many I think

[mel b3]

45 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

True, but the underlying thing for me was this difference;

• I believe Johnson fundamentally likes and wishes to retain this country much as it has been with its traditions and history, flawed as they may be - and that is how many of us like it
• Corbyn on the other hand hates most of what this country stands for and its traditions, and history - and wants to 'radically reform' it.

That was a decider for many I think

Also very true 👍.

[ditchman]

2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Until JC can accept his part in the poor result, he should avoid commenting!

 

He and his party's campaign was just NOT TRUSTED by enough voters, look at how the "RED WALL" of traditional Labour seats COLLAPSED.

 

THe Party has but 5 years to address the situation, we as a country need a good opposition to keep the Government honest and to hold them to account. 

 

At the moment Boris and Co have a clear run.

agree.................i think my money is on Jess Phillips