washerboy Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Watched an interesting documentary on netflix regarding Russian steroid abuse in the Olympics. Didn't understand it was so wide spread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 State sponsored! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 It’s been going on for decades, certainly since the Cold War era, though I’m not sure Russia has the monopoly on drug enhanced performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 They way they fixed the urine samples is like something from a spy thriller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 It was going on for years! I remember Tamara Press in the sixties winning olympic gold medals in shot and discuss! And her sister Irena winning gold in the pentathalon and hurdles, just two Soviet competitors who must be suspected of Drug enhanced performances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Yes ... it’s just the Russians 🙄... people between 10-20% increases in performance and we think the person finishing 10cm behind them from the U.K. or USA is drug free? 🤷♂️😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 I'm not at all anti steroids.. That would be the kettle calling the pot but to see a whole nation being forced to take part in the use of drugs to be able to compete is astounding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, washerboy said: I'm not at all anti steroids.. That would be the kettle calling the pot but to see a whole nation being forced to take part in the use of drugs to be able to compete is astounding Just look at any competitive sports ... if the people who are getting big pro contracts or making it as pro athlete's are using steroids or PED's then anyone who wants to achieve to that level will also NEED to take them. The benefits to recovery, enhancement, speed, power, all play into it. There are lots of athlete's using during off-season as some of those benefits will stick around once stopped for a while. Just look at the number of athletes' that claim to have asthma, or some other "normal" medical condition, so they then have an excuse when a certain medication shows up in their tests. Ephedrine was a prime example in cold and flu medications... "I had a cold and the team Dr prescribed me them for that... I never knew it would give me an advantage" was the line to give. Whilst we can say people are "forced" to take them... they aren't really forced, they could walk away from the sport, or they could compete without them, and lose. I think it was a massive sham when Lance Armstrong was caught doping and everyone pretended to know nothing about it and hung him out to dry. As if he had a massive advantage but the bloke hot on his heels was what some sort of superhuman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just my opinion, but I think all competitive people cheat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumfelter Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 hours ago, London Best said: Just my opinion, but I think all competitive people cheat! Even clay shooters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, stumfelter said: Even clay shooters? Didn't one have his medals / titles stripped just the other week for cheating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Look I the clay pigeon section. I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 don't understand the problem theres usually 22 overpaid cheats taking to football fields at 3pm on a Sat afternoon ,no one seems to bat an eye lid over these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Let’s face it, there are not many people In any walk of life, who would not cheat, if it advantaged them in some way!.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 People even cheat in virtual cycle races: note: this is a long clip, not for everyone, but in summary the lad in the clip is what many would consider an elite cyclist and he gets smashed up on the hills by people apparently pushing super human watts (or at the very least super human W/kg figures)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lksopener Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 One of the best documentaries I’ve watched recently. thanks to the original poster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) Part of the problem apparently was that the actual testing was so expensive that virtually all the samples that were taken were never processed at previous Olympics. Edited November 14, 2019 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 That documentary was one of the best I've seen. Amazing how it started out, with wanting to see whether he could cheat at an amateur event, and uncovering what he did. I think with all sports it must go on in one way or another, and when they are taking supplements anyway, I guess it's easy to stray into the illegal side. This guy is quite interesting in what he does to 'legally dope': I think he says in another of his video's that he's got his FTP to 5 watts/kg, which is very impressive, and just goes to show what can be done. I still have to question why they cheat, but I guess when there are vast sums of money/livelihoods at stake, that might be a good enough reason for some. Hayden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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