TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, Zapp said: The pic of the missile section is interesting although at the end of the day it's just a pic and therefore could be spoofed. Indeed , it could well be a stock picture of a 'spent' SA15, and used in this case to pin blame on the Iranians. But, the Iranians were very quick to blame a technical fault, and said that the plane turned back, whereas the plane can clearly be shown NOT turning back, and with no recorded conversations with the cockpit, how would they assume a technical fault ? 30 minutes ago, Zapp said: However, it is indeed the seeker head and front canards of a SA-15 sure enough, and it being there and in one piece is plausible since the main charge blows it off in one section to allow the fragmentation section located behind to plume onto the target. Exactly , the charge (warhead) has a proximity fuse, that peppers the target with shrapnel, the missile is not designed to connect with the target. If this turns out to be the case, and its not a deliberate act (I cant imagine why it would be) it would be in the best interests of Iran to come clean , sooner rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 I suspect twitchy missile crews anticipating US airstrikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 41 minutes ago, Zapp said: I suspect twitchy missile crews anticipating US airstrikes. My thoughts too - panicky mistaken identity whilst anticipating prompt retaliation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 And now there appears to be a phone video of the actual shoot down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: And now there appears to be a phone video of the actual shoot down! Yep, plus pictures of the wreckage with shrapnel holes. It was a shoot down for sure. Plus USA intelligence detected two missile launches right before the crash. Edited January 10, 2020 by NoBodyImportant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Indeed it certainly appears to be a MASSIVE mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 08/01/2020 at 13:28, Teal said: It's amazing, highly recommend. Really took me by surprise. Tehran is just hideous blocks of concrete, so definitely spread your wings out from there, the people, food and the culture is incredible. Been to some great places but Iran was the one real standout I think in part due to perception of it being hostile & full of religious zealots. Drank a lot of tea, and hard to walk down a street without being invited into every house along it to be fed! A lot of very well educated people there too, and a real fondness for Britain which to say was a surprise was an understatement on my part. Unfortunately we aren't alone in despairing at our politicians. The people I met without exception (although fairly discretely) made it clear their leaders didn't represent their country. Isnt that true of just about everyone. as pointed out in another thread, all most people want, is to enjoy our lives and harm no one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Can it be an accident? Unless the missile system is automated, wouldn’t it require someone to press a button. Also, don’t civilian aircraft have transponders or friend or foe devices that clearly identify them on radar? (My expertise is based on Steven segal films so may be flawed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Things happen in times of tension, the pilot who bombed our ship in 82 was shot down by his own troops when heading back home over Goose green. It could be a case of shoot first ask questions later, however there were other flights around the same time and it would appear to be a very sad and messy situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 They are in a hurry and cleaning up the wreckage with buldozers. No chance of a proper investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 11 hours ago, henry d said: Things happen in times of tension, the pilot who bombed our ship in 82 was shot down by his own troops when heading back home over Goose green. It could be a case of shoot first ask questions later, however there were other flights around the same time and it would appear to be a very sad and messy situation. I bet every Iranian wants to be the guy to shoot down a American plane. Nobody wants to be the guy that lets a American plane through. Probably get beheaded. It is easy to believe that a mistake was made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said: I bet every Iranian wants to be the guy to shoot down a American plane. Nobody wants to be the guy that lets a American plane through. Probably get beheaded. It is easy to believe that a mistake was made. That's a very sobering thought. There may have been a local news blackout that could otherwise have let the airline known it was about to overfly/head towards a conflict area. Edited January 10, 2020 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 Iran has taken responsibility for shooting it down, I wonder how much other information they will disclose, perhaps they will just stone wall and leave it at that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 I still believe it was nothing more than nervous missile battery crews and bad communications. Blunders are often what make the world go round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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