quentyn Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 so if moving to steel shot is fait accompli whats the cheapest for clay dusting ? i recently was shocked when i bought a slab of eley ecowads ( as a test) and was asked for £94 a *slab* are there any steel loads suitable for clay dusting that are fibre wad / biodegradable wad reasonably priced ? going on to just cartridges and selecting, clay -> non toxic shows zero results Anyone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 I've just ordered some steel cartridges to try for clays, try searching for 'Super steel' they come in 21gram, 24gram and 28gram, sizes 7.5 or 9. I ordered 1000 at £152 in 21gram 7.5s plaswad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) I beleive gamebore do a bio degrade wad but similar money if not more than the eley. As far as i understand it you will be fine to continue shooting clays with lead and plaswads. Shooting live quarry is what is set to change. Cartridge manufacturers will no doubt come up with a cheaper wad or at least i hope so. Edited February 27, 2020 by aga man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) Edited February 27, 2020 by Centrepin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, quentyn said: so if moving to steel shot is fait accompli whats the cheapest for clay dusting ? i recently was shocked when i bought a slab of eley ecowads ( as a test) and was asked for £94 a *slab* are there any steel loads suitable for clay dusting that are fibre wad / biodegradable wad reasonably priced ? going on to just cartridges and selecting, clay -> non toxic shows zero results Anyone ? Cheapest way to load steel for clays is to use indicast shot. "it was called indi cast by BPI in the early 2000s" Which is in fact Steel blast shot. Last i got about 18 months ago was £40 plus vat. for 28KGS of S& that is 2.8mm i get it from a firm called McANTS in Dinnington. but other firms sell it countrywide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 27 minutes ago, quentyn said: so if moving to steel shot is fait accompli whats the cheapest for clay dusting ? i recently was shocked when i bought a slab of eley ecowads ( as a test) and was asked for £94 a *slab* are there any steel loads suitable for clay dusting that are fibre wad / biodegradable wad reasonably priced ? going on to just cartridges and selecting, clay -> non toxic shows zero results Anyone ? No indication from any organisation to my knowledge that clay shooting will be affected. Crack on with lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 53 minutes ago, Centrepin said: That looks like velocity filled with steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quentyn Posted February 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Centrepin said: where are you seeing gamebore super steel for 152/1000 ? just cartridges is 236/1000 cheapest VIP steel are the cheapest they seem to have at 221 / 1000 also not sure what subsonic shooters are going to do ? bismuth only ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) hello, just carts have 3 prices for gamebore super steel clay, the 28g 7.5s are £179 1000, i am sure they do 21g 24g which are cheaper, i will be popping over soon to get some 28g and give them a try, they have 2 types of super steel, clay and game Edited February 27, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 9 hours ago, quentyn said: where are you seeing gamebore super steel for 152/1000 ? just cartridges is 236/1000 cheapest VIP steel are the cheapest they seem to have at 221 / 1000 also not sure what subsonic shooters are going to do ? bismuth only ? Just cartridges, search 'shop', 'clays' then scroll. I normally use 21gram for clays so that's what I'll try. They also do 24 and 28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 9 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, just carts have 3 prices for gamebore super steel clay, the 28g 7.5s are £179 1000, i am sure they do 21g 24g which are cheaper, i will be popping over soon to get some 28g and give them a try, they have 2 types of super steel, clay and game Anything with a fibre/biodegradable wad ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Old farrier said: Anything with a fibre/biodegradable wad ? Not that I could see, but they do have some very pretty pink cartridges🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Centrepin said: Not that I could see, but they do have some very pretty pink (SALMON) cartridges🤣🤣 They’ll be perfect for the southern lads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 Are you sure tis steel? Looking at the ad where says 'non toxic', the ad says no! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 11 hours ago, lancer425 said: Cheapest way to load steel for clays is to use indicast shot. "it was called indi cast by BPI in the early 2000s" Which is in fact Steel blast shot. Last i got about 18 months ago was £40 plus vat. for 28KGS of S& that is 2.8mm i get it from a firm called McANTS in Dinnington. but other firms sell it countrywide. These guys give their hardness in mohs which are not normally I think associated with metals and is difficult to compare with the CIP Rockwell spec'. Which do you use, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Anything with a fibre/biodegradable wad ? hello, here from there list , Eley VIP Steel pro eco wad, Gamebore silver steel 32g 4s 3inch, Gamebore 24g 7.5s fibre Edited February 28, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, wymberley said: These guys give their hardness in mohs which are not normally I think associated with metals and is difficult to compare with the CIP Rockwell spec'. Which do you use, please? 95 to 120 DPH brinell , Soft iron is around 90 to 105 so softer, Pressures are not a problem with Ini cast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, here from there list , Eley VIP Steel pro eco wad, Gamebore silver steel 32g 4s 3inch, Gamebore 24g 7.5s fibre They’ll work fine in my 2.1/2 chambers 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 never used steel carts, so went out the gun shop to try a box. and he said dont bother there are ****. you will end up putting the in the hedge and half the pigeons you shoot will end up dieing some place,what do you think, so i will be useing lead till the end, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, lancer425 said: 95 to 120 DPH brinell , Soft iron is around 90 to 105 so softer, Pressures are not a problem with Ini cast. Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, Old farrier said: They’ll work fine in my 2.1/2 chambers 😂😂😂 hello, i cannot see any supplier/ manufacture of steel shot cartridges for 65mm chamber shotguns, i am sure your not alone must be 1000s with these shotguns, they say 5 years before a ban on lead so maybe some will come on to the Market, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 Just now, mossy835 said: never used steel carts, so went out the gun shop to try a box. and he said dont bother there are ****. you will end up putting the in the hedge and half the pigeons you shoot will end up dieing some place,what do you think, so i will be useing lead till the end, That’s encouraging 🙄 1 minute ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, i cannot see any supplier/ manufacture of steel shot cartridges for 65mm chamber shotguns, i am sure your not alone must be 1000s with these shotguns, they say 5 years before a ban on lead so maybe some will come on to the Market, I hope so 5 years is a bit of a wait to shoot a partridge though 😉 I’m sure they will come up with something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quentyn Posted February 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 19 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, just carts have 3 prices for gamebore super steel clay, the 28g 7.5s are £179 1000, i am sure they do 21g 24g which are cheaper, i will be popping over soon to get some 28g and give them a try, they have 2 types of super steel, clay and game aah my apologies it seems that JC have the non toxic flag inconsistently applied - when you look you can see them at the price you indicated if there is a bio degradeable wad option for 150/1000 i will swap for clay shooting just on cost alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, quentyn said: aah my apologies it seems that JC have the non toxic flag inconsistently applied - when you look you can see them at the price you indicated if there is a bio degradeable wad option for 150/1000 i will swap for clay shooting just on cost alone You should check your clay ground allows the use of steel shot some don’t!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, quentyn said: aah my apologies it seems that JC have the non toxic flag inconsistently applied - when you look you can see them at the price you indicated if there is a bio degradeable wad option for 150/1000 i will swap for clay shooting just on cost alone hello, there were the gamebore steel 24 g 7.5s with fibre wads as from George at JCs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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