panoma1 Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, mick miller said: I believe that many officers actually sympathise with those wishing to sabotage hunt events or disrupt shooting. It's a social malaise, which needs specific, explicit laws to be prevented. I would not rely on generic laws on trespass to be sufficient, or precise enough not to allow an officer to get away with inaction on the issue. I think there is truth in this! With some will and inventiveness the police could identify a way of protecting people going about their lawful business, it’s just that there is no will to do so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tollerman Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 As a long standing member of BASC I would like them to take up the matter with every chief constable in the country and get the guide lines of aggravated trespass sorted.No one should have to put up with intimidation from a mob of hooded thugs.We may well be in general white middle aged men ( apologies to other groups ,ages etc)but like the rest of the population we do have 'rights' too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 41 minutes ago, Tollerman said: As a long standing member of BASC I would like them to take up the matter with every chief constable in the country and get the guide lines of aggravated trespass sorted.No one should have to put up with intimidation from a mob of hooded thugs.We may well be in general white middle aged men ( apologies to other groups ,ages etc)but like the rest of the population we do have 'rights' too. Good luck with that approach, the Chief Constables are aware of this happening but so far have done sweet F. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 Although this specific incident has gained much attention due to the excellent work by Charlie and the team, this is not a new phenomenon and people involved in hunting, shooting and fishing have been subjected to varying degrees of intimidation for as long as I can remember. Accepting that people in the UK have a right to legal protest, that most certainly does not include committing assault. Some guidance and background on this from BASC is here: https://basc.org.uk/codes-of-practice/disruption-of-shoots-by-demonstrators/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tollerman Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 I'm sure Chief Constables are aware but we need BASC and other Field Sports organisations to campaign for something to be done .That's what we pay our subs for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 hours ago, David BASC said: Remember that aggravated trespass is covered under criminal law. An offence is committed when a trespasser in the open air attempts to interfere with a lawful activity such as hunting or shooting for example. And yet nothing is done about it time after time. Police either don’t come or when they do stand by and do nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 I would be interested to hear of examples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 That's a great idea David BASC - you could then refer them to your guidance - that will teach them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 5 hours ago, David BASC said: Remember that aggravated trespass is covered under criminal law. An offence is committed when a trespasser in the open air attempts to interfere with a lawful activity such as hunting or shooting for example. hello, but how do you go about making an arrest if the police do not turn up, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 May I suggest your question is better being sent to the local constabulary if you have examples of where the police have been called to deal with harassment by protestors and either failed to turn up? By all means let me know too., and I think any reply you get from the police would be most interesting to all on here! thanks David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 39 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, but how do you go about making an arrest if the police do not turn up, as basc should have asked the police what advice to give members the police will tell you to ring them and do not try to hold anyone or it could lead to your own arrest and if in any doubt leave the area all a load of useless cobblers but there you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 8 hours ago, Newbie to this said: Was it on YouTube? what was it called? It was on FB on country life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, clangerman said: as basc should have asked the police what advice to give members the police will tell you to ring them and do not try to hold anyone or it could lead to your own arrest and if in any doubt leave the area all a load of useless cobblers but there you go hello, i quite agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 If you look at the link I posted that's pretty much the advice we give Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, David BASC said: If you look at the link I posted that's pretty much the advice we give about time shooting organisations done something about it then shooting costs the police money their goal is the same one as the antis end shooting shaking hands with a crocodile won’t stop it biting you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger79 Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 11 hours ago, David BASC said: Although this specific incident has gained much attention due to the excellent work by Charlie and the team, this is not a new phenomenon and people involved in hunting, shooting and fishing have been subjected to varying degrees of intimidation for as long as I can remember. Accepting that people in the UK have a right to legal protest, that most certainly does not include committing assault. Some guidance and background on this from BASC is here: https://basc.org.uk/codes-of-practice/disruption-of-shoots-by-demonstrators/ Can u tell me the app you refer to in codes of practice, that records and instantly uploads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 5 hours ago, David BASC said: If you look at the link I posted that's pretty much the advice we give instead of taking advice from the police who don't understand rural affairs / country sports / rural crime / as only understand spreadsheets inner city crime BASC why not educate the police as to who is going about their legal pursuit peacefully and lawfully and who are trespassing and intimidating and using threatening behaviour including covering their faces just in case (up to no good cover up ) as a lot of criminals do please explain why BASC is not the go to authority on country pursuits to advise the police on country sports and how they should deal with antis rather than the police telling us to leave go home don't antagonise hell Packham and the rspb antis have the police running round after them with no case to answer from all sorts of protected types being shot with no evidence why are the individuals who make the claims not being prosecuted for wasting police time my 10p worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 13, 2020 Report Share Posted March 13, 2020 I am not sure about other orgs but I know both BASC and the CA work with and train the police in rural issues, I will get back to you 're the app later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 13, 2020 Report Share Posted March 13, 2020 Re recording and uploading Aps there are loads, just Google it, as I bet there will be new ones coming out all the time, but here is just one example: https://www.uploadcamapp.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.