TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 Well, BA, Ryanair and Virgin Atlantic are all in dificulties and laying staff off. Will the aviation world ever return to the over capacity of pre Covid 19 days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 hello, i very much doubt it, did you see what BA said about the Gatwick ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 Oh yes, their accountants are leading this. Many of the Jets have already been parked at Kemble in Gloucestershire where it is cheaper to park them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) hello, BA stated they may finish their Gatwick operations thus making all staff redundant then said if they returned all employees will be on a new contract, take that as you find ?? Edited May 1, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Oh yes, their accountants are leading this. Many of the Jets have already been parked at Kemble in Gloucestershire where it is cheaper to park them. Is that where they dismantle planes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, BA stated they may finish their Gatwick operations thus making all staff redundant then said if they returned all employees will be on a new contract, take that as you find ?? Personally, I feel that they will try anything to sort the mess out and there is no such thing as bad publicity. Twas good to see Richard Branson remortgaging his island, that should release a lot of funds to keep VA going for a while. 3 minutes ago, walshie said: Is that where they dismantle planes? They are stored and wet run on a regular basis so they do not deteriorate. Ultimately they could be scrapped there or at St Athan in S. Wales which is another centre. I suspect American firms will be parking their unwanted Jets in the desert while they wait to see how the world changes and settles down. Edited May 1, 2020 by TIGHTCHOKE Additional text Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Personally, I feel that they will try anything to sort the mess out and there is no such thing as bad publicity. Twas good to see Richard Branson remortgaging his island, that should release a lot of funds to keep VA going for a while. hello, i think a lot of companies will be assessing the possible restructuring of their operations, i thought he would just spend his own billion £ fortune ? 9 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Personally, I feel that they will try anything to sort the mess out and there is no such thing as bad publicity. Twas good to see Richard Branson remortgaging his island, that should release a lot of funds to keep VA going for a while. They are stored and wet run on a regular basis so they do not deteriorate. Ultimately they could be scrapped there or at St Athan in S. Wales which is another centre. I suspect American firms will be parking their unwanted Jets in the desert while they wait to see how the world changes and settles down. hello, those are some scrap yards in the desert, !!!!!!! Edited May 1, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Oh yes, their accountants are leading this. Many of the Jets have already been parked at Kemble in Gloucestershire where it is cheaper to park them. hello, sorry off topic Dave but did you ever finish you pigeon flapper project ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 No Mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: No Mate. hello, oh i was looking forward to see, not an easy thing to replicate, i am sure JDs friend was having a go to, gingercat ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTaylor91 Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 The industry has not seen anything like it, 9/11 and the ash cloud don’t come close. BA and Virgin have had their ups and downs in the past, maybe this was the final reason for them to lose staff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO3isme Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 I doubt if any airline will survive this without government support. Who the government will choose to support will be interesting. The main issue is that there is literally no certainty of the future - for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 34 minutes ago, JTaylor91 said: The industry has not seen anything like it, 9/11 and the ash cloud don’t come close. BA and Virgin have had their ups and downs in the past, maybe this was the final reason for them to lose staff? I had just started working in oil & gas before 9/11 happened, I'm very glad I'm not making plane parts at the moment, it won't just be pilots and plane crews getting layed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO3isme Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 Boeing were already up sh1* creek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 I've seen a lot of fuss from people (not on PW) saying that Virgin Atlantic shouldn't get a bail out as Branson doesn't pay tax here. This is despite the fact that it is a UK registered company and pays Corporation Tax here. And then I see the same people saying that Ryanair should get a bailout despite being an Irish registered company and doesn't pay UK Corporation Tax! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 Its brutal perhaps, but is it time to let the airlines die / natural wastage. In these times, and with an uncertain future into years. Is it time to be a little less globe trotty. ? We have all got accustomed to this, and its not exactly done the worlds environment much good. Could this be an opportunity to CHANGE. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Its brutal perhaps, but is it time to let the airlines die / natural wastage. In these times, and with an uncertain future into years. Is it time to be a little less globe trotty. ? We have all got accustomed to this, and its not exactly done the worlds environment much good. Could this be an opportunity to CHANGE. ? I have sympathy with those views as well - but then I have never enjoyed travel. Air travel (particularly) has a huge mountain to climb over getting 'carbon neutral' by whatever date we have currently set. Also, there in no 'sense' environmentally in growing green beans in Kenya, asparagus in Peru and flying them here. We need to learn to eat local produce 'in season'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Its brutal perhaps, but is it time to let the airlines die / natural wastage. In these times, and with an uncertain future into years. Is it time to be a little less globe trotty. ? We have all got accustomed to this, and its not exactly done the worlds environment much good. Could this be an opportunity to CHANGE. ? I know what you mean but plenty of people would probably still fly next week if they could to go on holiday. Its doubtful though when the usual holiday places will be back to normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 I've often said on here even, that air fares are way under priced. Massive industries like that should be viable enough to have a wad in the bank that would see them through difficult times rather than try it on with taxpayers baling them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 50 minutes ago, AVB said: I've seen a lot of fuss from people (not on PW) saying that Virgin Atlantic shouldn't get a bail out as Branson doesn't pay tax here. This is despite the fact that it is a UK registered company and pays Corporation Tax here. And then I see the same people saying that Ryanair should get a bailout despite being an Irish registered company and doesn't pay UK Corporation Tax! You missed the unbridled vitriol towards Branson on the other threads then? I think the broad PW consensus was VA should get nowt too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Its brutal perhaps, but is it time to let the airlines die / natural wastage. In these times, and with an uncertain future into years. Is it time to be a little less globe trotty. ? We have all got accustomed to this, and its not exactly done the worlds environment much good. Could this be an opportunity to CHANGE. ? 8500 jobs in Virgin Atlantic, all of those jobs were there because of demand from us. Multiply those numbers across all the airlines and it is an awful lot of hurt to take for an awful lot of ordinary people. Then consider the supply chains and add those jobs in. I don't think it is at all unreasonable to suggest in normal times that businesses should be allowed to fail if the business model is bad or they are inefficient, etc. To effictively cull those jobs as the covid19 situation makes that possible is a different thing. I agree that a change in behaviour needs to happen, but if you force that change on people there needs to be compensation. If we effectively let the airlines fail in order to force change then we need to compensate everyone who is hurt by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, grrclark said: 8500 jobs in Virgin Atlantic, all of those jobs were there because of demand from us. Multiply those numbers across all the airlines and it is an awful lot of hurt to take for an awful lot of ordinary people. Then consider the supply chains and add those jobs in. I don't think it is at all unreasonable to suggest in normal times that businesses should be allowed to fail if the business model is bad or they are inefficient, etc. To effictively cull those jobs as the covid19 situation makes that possible is a different thing. I agree that a change in behaviour needs to happen, but if you force that change on people there needs to be compensation. If we effectively let the airlines fail in order to force change then we need to compensate everyone who is hurt by that. You are much more capable than me at finding facts - would I be right to say most very big business is actually run on credit or debt? Edited May 1, 2020 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 Who in their right mind would want to holiday in the UK! It's overpriced, service is ****, people are generally ungrateful and weather is normally pants as well. Happy to see fewer cheap flights around though, especially if it stops the great unwashed from travelling and cluttering up decent places abroad. Nothing worse than arriving at an airport and seeing a flight from Liverpool or Manchester arrive! In fact close regional airports south of East Midlands, and leave one in Scotland. Actually close Luton and Stansted as well as they only survive on low cost airlines. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 Another aspect of this viruses impact on aviation and its possible natural wastage is. Regardless of how many thousand people are employed by aviation, will people Now be able to afford travel abroad as often as they did, or at all? Aviation has seen a down turn before this virus, and now we might be struggling to raise the funds for a week in Margate not Mauritius. No point in using limited government funds to bolster up a industry that was dying and is set to die because few can utilise it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, grrclark said: You missed the unbridled vitriol towards Branson on the other threads then? I think the broad PW consensus was VA should get nowt too. I must have been asleep when that was going on. I can understand the hostility towards Branson but not towards VA. And why single out VA when many other companies have foreign shareholders who probably don't pay UK income tax. 2 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Another aspect of this viruses impact on aviation and its possible natural wastage is. Regardless of how many thousand people are employed by aviation, will people Now be able to afford travel abroad as often as they did, or at all? Aviation has seen a down turn before this virus, and now we might be struggling to raise the funds for a week in Margate not Mauritius. No point in using limited government funds to bolster up a industry that was dying and is set to die because few can utilise it. Very true and companies like BA can see the writing on the wall I think here their statement about reassessing †he need for their Gatwick hub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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