Mice! Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Theresa May tried to grasp that nettle and look where that got her. No the only thing that will bring the costs under control is a rigorous, independent inspection regime, with criminal sanctions for directors who fall short. Someone mentioned on the telly last week nationalising all the care homes, I can't imagine it happening though, they quoted dates from the 80s I think saying how few were private compared with now where it's the complete opposite. 2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Theresa May tried to grasp that nettle and look where that got her. No the only thing that will bring the costs under control is a rigorous, independent inspection regime, with criminal sanctions for directors who fall short. Someone mentioned on the telly last week nationalising all the care homes, I can't imagine it happening though, they quoted dates from the 80s I think saying how few were private compared with now where it's the complete opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 On 18/05/2020 at 10:02, panoma1 said: Heard a good comment on the news this morning......whilst the Tory Westminster government are getting a kicking off the press for the care home catastrophe in England....no one is slating the Welsh and Scottish administrations (who have devolved responsibility in this area!) where the same thing is happening there? maybe not down south or in National news but Nicola the red was grilled on BBC Scotland and STV over the issue on Skye and other care homes but has always mentioned that any deaths in care homes and elsewhere were included in the daily numbers where as England were not at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 4 hours ago, big bad lindz said: maybe not down south or in National news but Nicola the red was grilled on BBC Scotland and STV over the issue on Skye and other care homes but has always mentioned that any deaths in care homes and elsewhere were included in the daily numbers where as England were not at the time. Nothing like a bit of deflection, blame the English 🤣🤣 I noticed a while back that half of Scotland's deaths said they were in care homes, no one seemed to pick up on it, down here it's been picked up on big time, but I've yet to speak to anyone who is that surprised people in their 80s and 90s are dying if they get this virus. The biggest thing is probably that these older people in homes have died and family haven't been able to see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 Can't agree more. When things are bad lets blame the press for reporting it. If only they reported the happy times all would be good with the world. we should use the Chinese press as a model of coduct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mice! said: Nothing like a bit of deflection, blame the English 🤣🤣 I noticed a while back that half of Scotland's deaths said they were in care homes, no one seemed to pick up on it, down here it's been picked up on big time, but I've yet to speak to anyone who is that surprised people in their 80s and 90s are dying if they get this virus. The biggest thing is probably that these older people in homes have died and family haven't been able to see them. Mice, deaths in care homes was well picked up on the Scottish TV & papers early on. Unfortunately sometimes news can be very regional and if the news producers don`t think it is worth while it wont get shown on national TV or covered in the papers. The loss of life is very sad and I hope that we will begin to see some light at the end of the tunnel. I am really surprised though at the amount of people that have flocked to seaside resorts around the country in this grand weather we are having. I did see an ice cream vendor on TV selling cones through a window from his seaside hut not wearing any gloves at all, no face mask and taking cash from people directly from their hands into his. I wont be surprised if after this heat wave that we see another wave of the dammed thing. Deflection it is not and I am not blaming anyone, we are all in this together and is very unfortunate that some areas in the country are harder hit than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumble Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, oowee said: Can't agree more. When things are bad lets blame the press for reporting it. If only they reported the happy times all would be good with the world. we should use the Chinese press as a model of coduct. Exactly this. How fragile must you be to have to be fed positive stories constantly rather than face the truth of the situation you currently find yourself in? The whole ‘reporters should only be positive’ trope is ludicrous, and tantamount to condoning gov’t propaganda. Edited May 30, 2020 by Bumble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Bumble said: Exactly this. How fragile must you be to have to be fed positive stories constantly rather than face the truth of the situation you currently find yourself in? The whole ‘reporters should only be positive’ trope is ludicrous, and tantamount to condoning gov’t propaganda. Fair point, however I feel the lack of a credible voice of opposition has left a void and the reporters are unable to give a balanced mixed of opinion as there is no one providing the balance. This has lead to the likes of peston, kuntsberg and the rest going beyond their terms of reference and acting as if they are the opposition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 36 minutes ago, Bumble said: Exactly this. How fragile must you be to have to be fed positive stories constantly rather than face the truth of the situation you currently find yourself in? The whole ‘reporters should only be positive’ trope is ludicrous, and tantamount to condoning gov’t propaganda. I wouldn't expect only good news, but there must be some good things happening, look at the story of soon to be Sir Colonel Tom, it was a great heart warming story and the nation got behind it. 1 hour ago, big bad lindz said: Deflection it is not and I am not blaming anyone, we are all in this together and is very unfortunate that some areas in the country are harder hit than others. What I meant was on the evening update the goings on in Scotland weren't mentioned or if they were I didn't see it. And you are right about the seaside visitors, it's like everything is clear and safe now??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Bumble said: Exactly this. How fragile must you be to have to be fed positive stories constantly rather than face the truth of the situation you currently find yourself in? The whole ‘reporters should only be positive’ trope is ludicrous, and tantamount to condoning gov’t propaganda. My issue is not what is reported it is how it is reported. Take the BBC headlines today “Risk in UK lockdown easing too soon, warn scientists”. Turns out it was three of the members of SAGE. That is three out of 55. They could have made that clear in the headline. No wonder we have so many people frightened out of their wits to leave their houses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, oowee said: Can't agree more. When things are bad lets blame the press for reporting it. If only they reported the happy times all would be good with the world. we should use the Chinese press as a model of coduct. 1 hour ago, Bumble said: Exactly this. How fragile must you be to have to be fed positive stories constantly rather than face the truth of the situation you currently find yourself in? The whole ‘reporters should only be positive’ trope is ludicrous, and tantamount to condoning gov’t propaganda. I don’t think anyone is so fragile that they would have to be, or expect to be, fed constant positive news. I’m certainly not fragile, but it would be a welcome change to view or hear something positive rather than negative; it’s as though the media has simply decided that unless it’s doom and gloom, or its not reporting the downfall of some individual it’s not worth reporting. Like I mentioned the other day, if the media had reported during the war as they do now, the British would have given up the fight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumble Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Mice! said: I wouldn't expect only good news, but there must be some good things happening, look at the story of soon to be Sir Colonel Tom, it was a great heart warming story and the nation got behind it. There were plenty of positive stories (including the one you mention above, which was widely reported), including a lot on the fantastic job frontline staff were doing in a very tough situation. However, it seemed that because they weren’t the sole thing being reported on that day, they somehow didn’t count. It also seemed that any questioning or criticism of the gov’t response, no matter how valid, was met with anger from those who support BoJo & his gang for not toeing the gov’t line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 I think lord Sugar is right though, people like James O'Brian on LBC and Piers Morgan on GMB are endlessly negative and critical. O'Brian in particular, I am amazed he is still on air, he just calls people liars and slimebags yet offers no reason for his assertions. Not journalists, they are shock jocks, they build their viewer / listener numbers up by being outrageous. It works very well for them but don't confuse it with proper reporting of the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 13 hours ago, big bad lindz said: did see an ice cream vendor on TV selling cones This beach has been rammed all week, or for weeks?, I think the headline is wrong as they only ever show the one car stuck, but coastguards and a recovery truck had to be called out, wife saw on the news two helicopters going to a rescue on the same beach, resulting in everyone being herded together out of the way. I understand everyone wants to get and enjoy the sun but the idea of going where you know there will be hundreds if not thousands of others at the moment just doesn't appeal to me. 5 hours ago, Bumble said: There were plenty of positive stories (including the one you mention above, which was widely reported), including a lot on the fantastic job frontline staff were doing in a very tough situation. However, it seemed that because they weren’t the sole thing being reported on that day, they somehow didn’t count. It also seemed that any questioning or criticism of the gov’t response, no matter how valid, was met with anger from those who support BoJo & his gang for not toeing the gov’t line. I've noticed that local news tend to report happier stories, or more positive news not just the doom and gloom, but I've been on a different shift recently so haven't been watching each evening as I was, and I've not missed watching it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 On 18/05/2020 at 11:43, Mice! said: And he's a staunch Labour supporter isn't he, so that makes it a real refreshing change. When the Tories were in disarray and Blair's government was a fixture, Sugar was staunch Labour supporter. When Labour is in disarray and a Tory government is a fixture, he's a staunch Tory supporter. There might be a pattern here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Retsdon said: When the Tories were in disarray and Blair's government was a fixture, Sugar was staunch Labour supporter. When Labour is in disarray and a Tory government is a fixture, he's a staunch Tory supporter. There might be a pattern here.... Nothing to do with Labours move to the left then? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/14/left-wing-vs-right-wing-its-complicated left wing vs. right wing is a bit like commonsense - mostly to do with personal perception... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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