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Is it possible for a dog to bring another one out of a shy state , reason I’m asking is a mate has a youngish cocker more or less scared of its own shadow , last Saturday I took my young pup along with mate and his cocker to clear wind fallen trees ,last time my mate was doing it by himself as soon as a chain saw started his dog sat in his car and refused to move , this time we had two saws running and a Manatou loader to clear the wood ,both dogs were happily playing together without a care in the world , so is it possible, next time I’ll take my air rifle as it was even scared of one of these being fired 

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Strange, my cocker was gun shy and would hide under the motor when shooting, mate came one day with his golden lab and the pair of them sat in the hide together, they even went out together to get the retrieves.

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You have answered your own question. Yes often used for introduction to water etc. Can also teach each other bad habits so you need to be careful when and why you do it. There is a good reason for generally training dogs on their own.

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I can't understand why your mate would take a nervous dog anywhere near a chainsaw because its a noise that a lot of dog's would have to be introduced to. When you took your dog the next time was the dog's loose as they were playing while the two of you were cutting the tree's,if so its seems like a resipe for disaster. Taking the air rifle aint a good idea either . Introductions to anything should be done gradually and in a controlled way but at the end of the day it's up to you.

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1 hour ago, Dave at kelton said:

You have answered your own question. Yes often used for introduction to water etc. Can also teach each other bad habits so you need to be careful when and why you do it. There is a good reason for generally training dogs on their own.

Bang on. 

People get it into their heads they their older dog will "teach" their younger dog. Dogs learn things from experience, they don't communicate and school one another, it's far far easier for a dog to learn bad habits off your other dog than it is good ones. 

As Dave says, there's a reason good trainers train them on their own. 

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Valid points and taken on board ,which will be a real shame for the cocker to see him work the cover is a joy but as you say I can’t risk him compromising my dog , I should have added my mates dog goes everywhere with him and his quite happy to sit in a tractor cab all day with ,and is well used to farm machinery 

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That's fair enough, never compromise on your training as you will only get one chance to get it right otherwise it's hard work to correct it later, read Lloyd90 post about Ted. 

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I have a lab bitch, 3 1/2 yr old which has always been very nervous. She is now used to farm machinery, has never been gun shy, but still hates traffic. She has done two seasons picking up and peg work and stalks with me with a full bore. No signs of nerves when working, quite the opposite, she is very bold.

This dog runs a mile if I fire an air rifle.

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Had a cocker as a pet scarred stiff of the hover took her out when she was nine years old with the wife and kids to the farm. Never been near any guns before I fired my shotgun and she was well up for it every time the gun came out she was excited  but had not been trained for shooting  so  she missed out 

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Air rifles create a weird crack more than a bang, might be scaring the dog who knows. 
 

To be blunt (but trying not to be rude) as has been said it’s not your problem, If your mate wanted to sort the dog he could have done long before now but appears not to have done so. 

I wouldn’t train my dog with his. I won’t train my dog with anyone who doesn’t have similar standards to me or is a decent worker as it’s just a bother for no gain.  

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42 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said:

Air rifles create a weird crack more than a bang, might be scaring the dog who knows. 
 

To be blunt (but trying not to be rude) as has been said it’s not your problem, If your mate wanted to sort the dog he could have done long before now but appears not to have done so. 

I wouldn’t train my dog with his. I won’t train my dog with anyone who doesn’t have similar standards to me or is a decent worker as it’s just a bother for no gain.  

Not necessarily his fault he was given the dog by a game keeper who was moving onto a new job ,was told he was trained and good to go ,think he meant house trained though 😂

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18 minutes ago, sam triple said:

Not necessarily his fault he was given the dog by a game keeper who was moving onto a new job ,was told he was trained and good to go ,think he meant house trained though 😂

Poor dog, wonder what the keeper did to "train it" that's made it like that :hmm: 

People often say "keeper bred" about dogs as if that's something good ... but some of the "training" I have heard of them doing is insane ... one lad let his young cocker run into the electric fence around a pen so it supposedly wouldn't chase birds... the dog never hunted again 😞 

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monkey see monkey do    easier to train a pup alongside another dog        but like kids they learn the bad habits and swear words faster than the good stuff      play builds confidence and is a distraction to strange things and sounds  👍

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