SpringDon Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 10 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: What prejudice was that then? The usual stuff I guess, comments about his colour. Since he had monkey noises and effigies in Spain during his first year of f1, it’s difficult to believe it didn’t happen in earlier years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 26 minutes ago, SpringDon said: The usual stuff I guess, comments about his colour. Since he had monkey noises and effigies in Spain during his first year of f1, it’s difficult to believe it didn’t happen in earlier years. Don't you think every professional sports person has faced intimidation from opposition supportera, for that matter, don't you think virtually everyone at some point in their lives have faced some form of bullying, I doubt the person being called fat, skinny, ginger ect feels any better than the person being taunted about their colour. I don't see what makes Lewis Hamilton, or anyone else special in that sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 25 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Don't you think every professional sports person has faced intimidation from opposition supportera, for that matter, don't you think virtually everyone at some point in their lives have faced some form of bullying, I doubt the person being called fat, skinny, ginger ect feels any better than the person being taunted about their colour. I don't see what makes Lewis Hamilton, or anyone else special in that sense? I’m not even sure what This is about now but you think calling someone ‘fatty’ is equivalent to racial prejudice then we are not in the same book let alone the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, SpringDon said: I’m not even sure what This is about now but you think calling someone ‘fatty’ is equivalent to racial prejudice then we are not in the same book let alone the same page. does that not depend on the person being called names . And how it affects them . How they can end up be scared for life . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 minute ago, johnphilip said: does that not depend on the person being called names . And how it affects them . How they can end up be scared for life . This. Im not saying racist abuse isnt terrible, but there are others that get bullied over weight, looks , personality. To say that this type of abuse, and discrimination isnt in the same 'book' is in itself , discriminatory . Tell that to the parents of kids that killed themselves over bullying. Racism seems to be the watchword of the day, have we forgotton about every other type of discrimination because it doesnt concern race ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 27 minutes ago, Rewulf said: This. Im not saying racist abuse isnt terrible, but there are others that get bullied over weight, looks , personality. To say that this type of abuse, and discrimination isnt in the same 'book' is in itself , discriminatory . Tell that to the parents of kids that killed themselves over bullying. Racism seems to be the watchword of the day, have we forgotton about every other type of discrimination because it doesnt concern race ? Try growing up as a copper’s son on a council estate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, London Best said: Try growing up as a copper’s son on a council estate! I can well imagine ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, Rewulf said: I can well imagine ! My old man said, don’t let any of them pick on you, they will always be in a group, just pick the biggest one and flatten him, the others will back off. Worked every time, but can you imagine being given that same advice today? You would be branded the aggressor every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, London Best said: My old man said, don’t let any of them pick on you, they will always be in a group, just pick the biggest one and flatten him, the others will back off. Worked every time, but can you imagine being given that same advice today? You would be branded the aggressor every time. These days you would end up with a bullet or knife in your back. There are very few fair fights anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, SpringDon said: I’m not even sure what This is about now but you think calling someone ‘fatty’ is equivalent to racial prejudice then we are not in the same book let alone the same page. And I think the answers you've already received show's how small minded your view is. Racism is disgusting, as are many other forms of abuse. Who are you to tell the victims how offended they should feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 44 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: And I think the answers you've already received show's how small minded your view is. Racism is disgusting, as are many other forms of abuse. Who are you to tell the victims how offended they should feel? I’m not but apparently it’s Ok To tell Hamilton he should man up and not be offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, SpringDon said: I’m not but apparently it’s Ok To tell Hamilton he should man up and not be offended. I never said he shouldn't be offended, just that I don't see that he has faced discrimination or underprivilege worse than anyone else, infact I'd go as far to say he's probably had an easier time than most, but that is pure speculation on my part. Basically he's a hypocrite, he should stick to what he's good at, winning races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 And you did decide who should feel offended, when you rubbished that being called fatty is as damaging as a racial slur, it depends entirely on how it made the victim feel, which is a very small minded view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, SpringDon said: I’m not but apparently it’s Ok To tell Hamilton he should man up and not be offended. Whats he actually offended by ? Was he that discriminated against it stopped him from becoming F1 champion multiple times ? Did it stop him becoming a multimillionaire ? I dont seem to remember him being so offended about the whole thing last year, or the year before... A cynic might think hes just jumping on the latest bandwagon to raise his profile , so he can earn even more money from more sponsors ? Surely not ? No doubt hes writing million £ cheques to further black educational projects here there and everywhere no ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 21 hours ago, clangerman said: taking the knee is a token gesture to avoid writing a cheque big enough to make a difference That’s the best I’ve heard yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 I had a bad start to life, mainly due to my father having psychiatric issues. Not his fault and he ended up spending all of his life from the age of 22 in the care system, initially in what was known as a sanatorium (God - that was a horrible place) and he passed away at the age of 60 in a care in the community "home". Because of this, I didn't (not couldn't) speak for a number of years and when I did start, I had a very bad speech impediment. This was fine at my initial school however my parents (mum and step-dad at this point) moved to a different area. My life became hell for about 4 years or so. I can remember when I was in senior school my step-dad had enough of it and he told me similar to @London Best dad - just hit them. Turned out I was quite good at it and most of the 'bullying' stopped however I nearly got expelled from school 😳 Roll on a few years, I was at Lime Street about to catch my train back to camp, with my step-dad who said that guy over there is trying to get your attention. It was one of my worst persecutors from that time at school. He was under military escort as he had gone AWOL from the marines and done a stint in the French Foreign Legion but had returned and had given himself up voluntarily. We had a good catch up (after I had flashed my military ID to his escorts) and I heard later that he went into the SBS. Did I hold any grudges against him because of what he had done in the past - No Did I demand that he apologize for what he done in the past - No Life had moved on and it was history (even though at that time it was only about 10 years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) Can you lot please leave us fatties alone , it's very hurtful y'know . Ya bunch of xxxxxxx 😅. Edited to add. Lewis Hamilton needs to get over himself , the big soft tart. Edited July 7, 2020 by mel b3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, mel b3 said: Can you lot please leave us fatties alone , it's very hurtful y'know . Ya bunch of xxxxxxx 😅. Edited to add. Lewis Hamilton needs to get over himself , the big soft tart. Agreed - if you lot carry on with this we will be forced to take the buffet 🤣 to appease our feelings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 He needs to get a proper job, like on a building site for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, mel b3 said: Can you lot please leave us fatties alone , it's very hurtful y'know . Ya bunch of xxxxxxx 😅. Edited to add. Lewis Hamilton needs to get over himself , the big soft tart. Sorry, I know it’s just your glands. 3 hours ago, Rewulf said: Whats he actually offended by ? Was he that discriminated against it stopped him from becoming F1 champion multiple times ? Did it stop him becoming a multimillionaire ? <snip> Dunno, no and no. If he chooses to be offended that’s up to him. He also has a right to an opinion, what that opinion is, I’m not sure because I’m not interested so didn’t look it up. All you lot that read it,and decided to deride it, are the ones that elevate it some kind of special status. 3 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: And you did decide who should feel offended, when you rubbished that being called fatty is as damaging as a racial slur, it depends entirely on how it made the victim feel, which is a very small minded view. I take it you are aware it’s possible to lose weight but not so possible to change race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 minute ago, SpringDon said: All you lot that read it,and decided to deride it, are the ones that elevate it some kind of special status. I wouldnt go as far as that I just find him an arrogant annoying .... more so when he pontificates about a subject he knows little of. Im just surprised he isnt regaling us about his 'tough' upbringing on a sink estate, and all the deprivations therein. 4 minutes ago, SpringDon said: I take it you are aware it’s possible to lose weight but not so possible to change race. Michael Jackson managed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Rewulf said: I wouldnt go as far as that I just find him an arrogant annoying .... more so when he pontificates about a subject he knows little of. Im just surprised he isnt regaling us about his 'tough' upbringing on a sink estate, and all the deprivations therein. Michael Jackson managed it Changing race is about as likely as changing gender.....oh hang on a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 minute ago, SpringDon said: Sorry, I know it’s just your glands. It's genetic , I come from a very long line of greedy fat xxxxxxxx.😆 1 minute ago, SpringDon said: Dunno, no and no. If he chooses to be offended that’s up to him. He also has a right to an opinion, what that opinion is, I’m not sure because I’m not interested so didn’t look it up. All you lot that read it,and decided to deride it, are the ones that elevate it some kind of special status. I take it you are aware it’s possible to lose weight but not so possible to change race. It's not as possible as you think for everyone to lose weight, I could eat food until I'm ready to vomit , but I'm still so hungry that I could cry. Some fat people can lose weight in the same way that some black people can change race , take a look at the ever changing pictures of Michael Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, SpringDon said: Sorry, I know it’s just your glands. Dunno, no and no. If he chooses to be offended that’s up to him. He also has a right to an opinion, what that opinion is, I’m not sure because I’m not interested so didn’t look it up. All you lot that read it,and decided to deride it, are the ones that elevate it some kind of special status. I take it you are aware it’s possible to lose weight but not so possible to change race. Some people find it virtually impossible, although it is of course possible, as is bleaching your skin, but only an idiot would suggest someone should to appease other people, same with someone ginger, should they have to dye their hair to stop people calling them names, the list is endless. My point is, is or was Lewis Hamilton anymore victimised or disadvantaged than anyone else, I would argue no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) Editted out double post. Edited July 7, 2020 by Walker570 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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