7daysinaweek Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, AVB said: Thank you for your comprehensive response. This was 15/16 years ago and therefore I am not 100% certain of the details but I think the conversation went along the lines of the following: Me: “I’m a bit concerned about this MMR vaccination. What options are there?” GP: “you can have separate inoculations, give me £200 and I’ll sort it out for you”. sounds like things are bit different now! Not at all! That sounds like a mighty quick consultation AVB and an extremely expeditious removal of £200. Yes thing were different back then. atb 7diaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted July 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 The more pronounced symptoms of autism develop at around the same time a child has the MMR vaccine. Pure coincidence. All three of my children have had the MMR vaccine, it is an easy decision when you are of a scientific mindset. Even if I had the money, out of principle I wouldn’t have given them separately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 I think parents could be forgiven for being a bit anxious. There was a lot of hype at the time regarding the triple vaccine, and as a parent of two very young children at the time, and having lost a third, plus having a nephew with autism, it wasnt quite as cut and dried as folk make out. There was a lot of hype surrounding the triple MMR vaccine, and people only had the news and newspapers from which to gather any kind of information, there wasn’t quite the social media platforms we have today. I know quite a few who paid for single vaccines rather than the triple at the time, and like I say, our PM didn’t really help the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 On 28/07/2020 at 17:38, Scully said: I’ve been hearing this all weekend.....many folk saying they want the vaccine but none whom want to be at the front of the queue. My personal primary concern is ensuring if I get the vaccine that it is one that is recognised globally and won't place restrictions on my travel (for work) in the future - so what I was getting at is I'll want to know the details before having one (I'm assuming it's best to only have one) - even if there are not a choice of which vaccine we can have. My primary concern however is the welfare of my kids, they are 19 & 17, I'd like to be relatively confident there are no long term negative side effects as they have their lives ahead of them. Ideally for them this would also include any reproductive issues as I assume they'll be having kids of their own at some point. As with just about everything, it's all about balancing risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: As with just about everything, it's all about balancing risk. It is indeed, and I understand your concerns; my kids are 23 and coming up 21. I’ll have the vaccine; my kids haven’t mentioned it, but as time is on their side they can make up their own minds. As an aside, as the age for the seasonal flu jab has come down, I’m thinking I may take advantage of that also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Scully said: It is indeed, and I understand your concerns; my kids are 23 and coming up 21. I’ll have the vaccine; my kids haven’t mentioned it, but as time is on their side they can make up their own minds. As an aside, as the age for the seasonal flu jab has come down, I’m thinking I may take advantage of that also. I'm intending to have the flu jab this year too 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: I'm intending to have the flu jab this year too 👍 I've had the flu jab many times (paid for it privately, £12 from Boots) and never had any side effects of any note, never had flu either. For me, is £12 on insurance - and I'm happy with the idea of insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: I've had the flu jab many times (paid for it privately, £12 from Boots) and never had any side effects of any note, never had flu either. For me, is £12 on insurance - and I'm happy with the idea of insurance. You're not worried that the government installing a tracking device in you so they know where you are all the time? Or making you sterile so they can control the population? Or weakening your immune system so you die before becoming a burden to the state? or...or...or... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 Flu jab sometimes gives me a mild flu that gets me to bed for a few hours - I'm much happier with that rather than get the real McCoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said: You're not worried that the government installing a tracking device in you so they know where you are all the time? No, but I expect Boots know where I am 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: No, but I expect Boots know where I am 🤣 😂 😂Better get your healing crystals aligned then - that'll stop 'em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said: I've had the flu jab many times (paid for it privately, £12 from Boots) and never had any side effects of any note, never had flu either. For me, is £12 on insurance - and I'm happy with the idea of insurance. Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 15 hours ago, grrclark said: I have no doubt that pressure will be applied in some cases as some will seek to subvert the process. I don’t pretend for a moment that the pharmaceutical companies are without fault. However the fact that you can cite that article does suggest that there is still an ability to push back on corporate pressures. It also illustrates why rigorous independent peer review is so important. And where will all these rigorous independent peer reviewers come from when most publications and scientific institutions working in the field are taking a substantial part of their funding in the form of grants from Pharma businesses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, serrac said: And where will all these rigorous independent peer reviewers come from when most publications and scientific institutions working in the field are taking a substantial part of their funding in the form of grants from Pharma businesses? Generally competing interests levels the playing field in the corporate world, but I agree that there is always a potential for manipulation and an assessment should always be made in consideration of the bigger picture. In the case of a vaccine for this strain of corona virus there are multiple independent research and commercial labs working on a multitude of competing vaccines. The UK has placed advanced orders on 4 different ones I think it is reasonable to suggest that if any one of those bodies make a false claim or try to manipulate publication the others will be all over that like a rash. There are also independent statutory bodies that make assessment of the research and testing. However, in respect to the anti-vaxxer agenda where is any review, scrutiny or control of the people that are peddling the nonsense? More importantly why for some is that nonsense more readily accepted? In respect to MMR and at the time of Andrew Wakefield’s bogus report it did cause a legitimate level of fear around the safety of the MMR combined vaccine, that scare also aligns with the timings when both Scully’s and AVB’s kids were vaccinated, hence an understandable level of concern by both. It’s not fair to be critical of those fears or decisions looking back at the past through a very different lens. Since then there has been a raft of research and publications to debunk him and he has been struck off, yet he is still a headline speaker at anti-vax rallies worldwide, still peddling the same rubbish and people still believe him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7daysinaweek Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, grrclark said: Generally competing interests levels the playing field in the corporate world, but I agree that there is always a potential for manipulation and an assessment should always be made in consideration of the bigger picture. In the case of a vaccine for this strain of corona virus there are multiple independent research and commercial labs working on a multitude of competing vaccines. The UK has placed advanced orders on 4 different ones I think it is reasonable to suggest that if any one of those bodies make a false claim or try to manipulate publication the others will be all over that like a rash. There are also independent statutory bodies that make assessment of the research and testing. However, in respect to the anti-vaxxer agenda where is any review, scrutiny or control of the people that are peddling the nonsense? More importantly why for some is that nonsense more readily accepted? In respect to MMR and at the time of Andrew Wakefield’s bogus report it did cause a legitimate level of fear around the safety of the MMR combined vaccine, that scare also aligns with the timings when both Scully’s and AVB’s kids were vaccinated, hence an understandable level of concern by both. It’s not fair to be critical of those fears or decisions looking back at the past through a very different lens. Since then there has been a raft of research and publications to debunk him and he has been struck off, yet he is still a headline speaker at anti-vax rallies worldwide, still peddling the same rubbish and people still believe him. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 I well remember taking my kids for the mmr jab , to be completely honest , I was absolutely xxxxxxxx myself incase I'd got it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted July 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 8 hours ago, grrclark said: It’s not fair to be critical of those fears or decisions looking back at the past through a very different lens. Good point 12 hours ago, Scully said: I think parents could be forgiven for being a bit anxious. There was a lot of hype at the time regarding the triple vaccine, and as a parent of two very young children at the time, and having lost a third, plus having a nephew with autism, it wasnt quite as cut and dried as folk make out. I wasn’t specifically thinking about what happened during the MMR scare but modern antivaxxers and my friends who know full well it is a myth but nonetheless pay for separate injections. Finally, I appreciate it must have been some time ago but I am sorry for your loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 20 hours ago, Dave-G said: Flu jab sometimes gives me a mild flu that gets me to bed for a few hours - I'm much happier with that rather than get the real McCoy. Not wanting to to be rude but that doesn’t seem at all likely. There may mild symptoms as a result of an immune response but a dead viral particles ina vaccine are not going to give you flu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 11 hours ago, WalkedUp said: Good point I wasn’t specifically thinking about what happened during the MMR scare but modern antivaxxers and my friends who know full well it is a myth but nonetheless pay for separate injections. Finally, I appreciate it must have been some time ago but I am sorry for your loss. My apologies for the confusion; the loss had nothing to do with the MMR jab. Totally unrelated, but does heighten your awareness to risk for a time. My OH at the time was almost paranoid about any risk; a narrow escape with our youngest in a road traffic collision before the twins were born certainly didn’t help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7daysinaweek Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 29 minutes ago, Scully said: My apologies for the confusion; the loss had nothing to do with the MMR jab. Totally unrelated, but does heighten your awareness to risk for a time. My OH at the time was almost paranoid about any risk; a narrow escape with our youngest in a road traffic collision before the twins were born certainly didn’t help. I can understand the reasons for your anxieties in relation to the loss of your son and you have my sincere empathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Thankyou. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 4 hours ago, SpringDon said: Not wanting to to be rude but that doesn’t seem at all likely. There may mild symptoms as a result of an immune response but a dead viral particles ina vaccine are not going to give you flu. Well for whatever reason I mostly get debilitated about 2 days after a flu jab for maybe half a day - yet very occasionally I don't. Having now Googled it, it seems you are correct. Still learning at age 68. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) On 29/07/2020 at 00:36, 7daysinaweek said: @mel b3. I am aware that mumsnet has been a major cause for concern in relation to vaccines and neonatal/infant care in the past. Actually mumsnet is allegedly "owned" by the same subversive hard left marxist thinktank that owns extinction rebellion and black lives matter. Originally called the International Marxist Group, it has many names, the Socialist League being one of many. Edited August 28, 2020 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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