Why Should Manchester Get more Money?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

While Andy Burnham, Mayor of Manchester is holding out for more money.

 

Why should it not just be that they get the same level as the rest of the country?

[AVB]

If I was Boris I would tell Burnham that it’s up to him whether to go into Tier 3 or not. If deaths rise (which they will regardless of lockdown or not imo) then he can pin all the blame on Burnham. 

[Yellow Bear]

He wins anyway, Burnham has delayed it a week at virtually exponential growth in infections so he should get the blame, particularly as he was playing politics.

[Mice!]

If you believe what he's saying its all about the low paid workers,  but I'm not buying it, I'm sure I heard something said about him wanting the furlough scheme brought back at 80%

It's all gone political and point scoring. 

Let's see what Boris says.

[crosswaters]

Burnham giving a good old shop steward speech to the brothers and the BBC lapping it up   

[Mice!]

Sounds like its broken down over 5million? So now Manchester is getting 20million!!

Wanted 75m offered 60m, negotiations fall down and there getting a third of what was offered. 

Saying people can't survive on 2/3rds of their wages.

Lancashire took 42m Manchester should have taken the 60m, I've no idea what Liverpool were given.

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

And Boris giving his answer this evening on the BBC!

[Mice!]

3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

And Boris giving his answer this evening on the BBC!

Now.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Yes, quicker than I expected!

 

I wonder how many of the questions will involve Andy Burnham?

[oowee]

Getting less than the neighbours 🤔

[Mice!]

They broke down the money before,  Manchester were offered the same per head as Liverpool and Lancs, but obviously wanted more.

[JohnfromUK]

Disgraceful that the BBC give Burnham first opportunity to speak before the formal government position has been announced and explained.

It is normal that the 'senior body' (i.e. the PM and HMG's team) always get first say - just as the Chancellor has to give the budget speech before the opposition can speak.  That is the way the system works, but appartently not at the BBC, where on R4 this evening Burnham got first say.

One person I know in that area (not Manchester itself) told me that the reason the rate of increase is so great in those areas ties in closely with the people who live there not following the existing rules and regulations - and no enforcement being done.

[oowee]

Just now, JohnfromUK said:

Disgraceful that the BBC give Burnham first opportunity to speak before the formal government position has been announced and explained.

It is normal that the 'senior body' (i.e. the PM and HMG's team) always get first say - just as the Chancellor has to give the budget speech before the opposition can speak.  That is the way the system works, but appartently not at the BBC, where on R4 this evening Burnham got first say.

One person I know in that area (not Manchester itself) told me that the reason the rate of increase is so great in those areas ties in closely with the people who live there not following the existing rules and regulations - and no enforcement being done.

Accessibility BJ is busy.  

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, oowee said:

Accessibility BJ is busy.

I should have thought that people in authority in Manchester should be at least as busy - if not even more so.  They have a tier 3 to organise and implement - using local powers to do so.  Tier 3 is particularly aimed at local 'tight' lockdowns.  All they have succeeded is delaying it's implementation - which will result in more cases - and so being locked down for longer.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

What a farce.

I hope Burnham can regain some sort of credibility.

[ditchman]

as time goes on...it appears to be political............i would lay money that kier starmer has been on the phone to him...scheming          

everytime burnham makes a statement..........its usually followed and hour or so later by another comment by starmer discrediting the govt'

[clangerman]

why worry about saving lives when you can argue over money excuse me while i vomit 

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, clangerman said:

why worry about saving lives when you can argue over money excuse me while i vomit 

A question you should put to Burnham

[Scully]

1 hour ago, crosswaters said:

Burnham giving a good old shop steward speech to the brothers and the BBC lapping it up   

He’s just playing politics and living every minute. The mans a rooster. 

[clangerman]

Just now, JohnfromUK said:

A question you should put to Burnham

both as bad as each other if doris had shut down in time and not rushed to open up over a few quid we would not be in this mess 

[oowee]

16 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I should have thought that people in authority in Manchester should be at least as busy - if not even more so.  They have a tier 3 to organise and implement - using local powers to do so.  Tier 3 is particularly aimed at local 'tight' lockdowns.  All they have succeeded is delaying it's implementation - which will result in more cases - and so being locked down for longer.

You cant do it to people you need to do it with people. BJ will learn. 

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, clangerman said:

had shut down in time

Agreed - they were far to slow in the initial shutdown (as were many other countries)

2 minutes ago, clangerman said:

not rushed to open up over a few quid we would not be in this mess

I agree in part, but opening up should have been much more cautious - but it isn't 'a few quid' - it's BIG money - and very very many people did want to open up.

It is interesting - the official line I keep hearing is that transmission in pubs and restaurants is only very low ........... and yet the only two I know directly got it that way - and I 'hear' of almost all the cases of which I read locally getting it by visiting pubs and restaurants .......... so I don't know where the truth lies.  Maybe it spreads differently in different areas?

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

You cant do it to people you need to do it with people. BJ will learn. 

You mean bribe people?  I feel a bit like Mrs Thatcher on paying ransom money to terrorists - NEVER.

[oowee]

14 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

 

 

You mean bribe people?  I feel a bit like Mrs Thatcher on paying ransom money to terrorists - NEVER.

 No need for bribes. Cross country / party working group. Set the parameters share the pain and get buy in. 

Do it alone from the centre then the result is confusion failure and alienation. It ain't going to work.

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, oowee said:

Set the parameters share the pain and get buy in.

My understanding from the BBC is that Manchester "demanded" £65m 'minimum'.  Liverpool had (equivalent of) £60m which is what Manchester were offered.  They turned it down ......... for £5m.

Well maybe they will bet less than £60m now.

I think we are all 'sharing the pain'. My understanding of Tier 3 (as Manchester are now required to join is pretty much what I do now (and I an in a fairly low risk area) as a matter of basic common sense;

• Pubs and bars must close, and can only remain open where they operate as if they were a restaurant - which means serving substantial meals, like a main lunchtime or evening meal. They may only serve alcohol as part of such a meal  - Compliant - I have not eaten or had a drink in a pub/restaurant/hostelry since February
• Wedding receptions are not allowed - Not applicable as I have none that had been pending, but I would comply
• People must not meet anybody outside their household or support bubble in any indoor or outdoor setting, whether at home or in a public space. The “Rule of Six” applies in open public spaces like parks and beaches  - Compliant I think - I have not been in anyone's house or had visitors in mine.  I have met out of doors, but very limited and distanced.
• People should try to avoid travelling outside the ‘very high’ area they are in, or entering a ‘very high’ area, other than for things like work, education, accessing youth services, to meet caring responsibilities or if they are in transit - Compliant since September, which is the last 'outside area' journey I have made (and that was to another low risk area)
• People should avoid staying overnight in another part of the UK if they are resident in a ‘very high’ area, or avoid staying overnight in a ‘very high’ area if they are resident elsewhere- Compliant since September, which is the last 'overnight away' visit I have made (to another low risk area)

I'd really like to see this all over, with as few deaths and severe illnesses as possible - and it seems to me that the precautions above are the fastest and least painful way of doing that - in that keep things within NHS capacity until a vaccine appears - hopefully Q1 next year.

[Gordon R]

 

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Cross country / party working group. Set the parameters share the pain and get buy in. 

I recall Boris saying that he is what he wanted. Keir sounded all optimistic and helpful, but wasn't. Sadly, labour have been playing party politics at a time of national need. 

Burnham is merely a lightweight - out of his depth.