bornfree Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 A local meat processing factory has had 248 positive cases and only 7 with symptoms. And the worst was a 62 year old heavy smoking man with slight shortness of breath. We are locking down for minimal reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, treetree said: Why don't all the people here advocating for another lockdown just put themselves into a voluntary one? That way you can feel virtuous about 'doing your bit', be sure you won't get ill and 'overwhelm the NHS' and rest easy you won't be some irresponsible inconsiderate 'covidiot' putting grandmas, small babies and humanity at risk. How many of the lockdown cheerleaders here will do that going forward? the old and vulnerable are not isolating to save our lives it’s to save YOURS ingrate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, bornfree said: A local meat processing factory has had 248 positive cases and only 7 with symptoms. And the worst was a 62 year old heavy smoking man with slight shortness of breath. We are locking down for minimal reasons. I don't doubt what you say, but here is a different example https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8900791/Radio-presenter-Julie-Donaldson-dies-coronavirus-aged-50.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: The previous lockdown worked. Even if I agreed with that assertion (which I dont), isn't it a bit pointless if when lockdown ends you have to put yourself into another one? How long fo we keep doing this for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: I'm no doubt seen as a lockdown cheerleader, but that is something of a misunderstanding - in that I don't want any enforced lockdown but I don't see a realistic alternative simple because many people aren't behaving sensibly. As I have said elsewhere - I have been in a 80%(ish) lockdown since March - largely compliant with the proposed lockdown rules. The only significant exception being a weeks (mainly walking and fishing) holiday in the UK with friends where I didn't leave the estate all week. Other than that I have remained at home, not eaten out except occasionally outdoors with relatives in the garden, and not been indoors in anyone else's house, nor has anyone visited mine. Most older people where I live have behaved similarly. I shop (complete with mask) and try to get things for elderly neighbours to help them and save them having to shop too often. It isn't for a 'virtuous feeling' that I do it - I have just tried to use simple common sense and minimise the risk to myself and others. If everyone had done what you've done we'd be back to normal by now, the problem is too many people have carried on like nothing is going on or different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Just now, treetree said: Even if I agreed with that assertion (which I dont), isn't it a bit pointless if when lockdown ends you have to put yourself into another one? How long fo we keep doing this for? Just now, treetree said: How long fo we keep doing this for? Probably when needed to keep things under control until there is a vaccine - just as has been said 100s of times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: I don't doubt what you say, but here is a different example https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8900791/Radio-presenter-Julie-Donaldson-dies-coronavirus-aged-50.html That's one person. Iam talking of 248 positive cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, clangerman said: the old and vulnerable are not isolating to save our lives it’s to save YOURS ingrate I'm not sure i follow your logic here. Could you elaborate please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Mice! said: If everyone had done what you've done we'd be back to normal by now, the problem is too many people have carried on like nothing is going on or different. It is true that I have spent a good deal less money than usual, which doesn't exactly help the economy (for example I have filled my 'main car' once since March!), but my income has been much reduced - and so I have to be more careful with money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, treetree said: Even if I agreed with that assertion (which I dont), isn't it a bit pointless if when lockdown ends you have to put yourself into another one? How long fo we keep doing this for? So the previous lockdown did not lower infections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, bornfree said: That's one person. Iam talking of 248 positive cases. It is one example that this isn't always either mild or asymptomatic. It is by no means the only example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, treetree said: Even if I agreed with that assertion (which I dont), isn't it a bit pointless if when lockdown ends you have to put yourself into another one? How long fo we keep doing this for? Why do you think cases went from rising exponentially, to going to a very low number ? Thank **** we’ve not got you running the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, ordnance said: So the previous lockdown did not lower infections Or just perhaps it coincidentally coincided with summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, AVB said: Or just perhaps it coincidentally coincided with summer. Seriously, has the summer lowered the infections in any other country Italy for example, you do not think people not being in close contact, work, pubs, restaurant's etc, helps stop respiratory virus from spreading, do you know how virus's spread. Quote Many of the germs that cause respiratory (breathing) diseases are spread by droplets that come from coughing and sneezing. These germs usually spread from person to person when uninfected persons are in close contact with a sick person Edited October 31, 2020 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, treetree said: This is madness. Are you saying it is a person's duty to follow rules that deny them their most basic personal freedoms? What kind of a society is that to live in? Yes the law prevents me basic freedoms like driving at what speed I like, helping myself to things in shops, sticking my hand up the skirt of a woman on the bus and shooting at pigeons in the park. your point is?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Vince Green said: Yes the law prevents me basic freedoms like driving at what speed I like, helping myself to things in shops, sticking my hand up the skirt of a woman on the bus and shooting at pigeons in the park. your point is?? The law and societal norms. But I agree. To live in a community we all must give up some of our individual freedoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 its the young and middle aged that are climbing the wall on lockdown............us old people / senior citizens/carers of infirmed/dementia carers.........have been doing it for years...its hard the first year and gets harder the more years it goes on... so all you young folks out there...treat lockdown as familisation practice....because this is what you have got , to look forward to.....your mates dieing one by one....not feeling well like you used to...people dont come to see you anymore...people avoid you.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, ditchman said: its the young and middle aged that are climbing the wall on lockdown............us old people / senior citizens/carers of infirmed/dementia carers.........have been doing it for years...its hard the first year and gets harder the more years it goes on... so all you young folks out there...treat lockdown as familisation practice....because this is what you have got , to look forward to.....your mates dieing one by one....not feeling well like you used to...people dont come to see you anymore...people avoid you.............. Trying to cheer us up 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 26 minutes ago, ordnance said: Seriously, has the summer lowered the infections in any other country Italy for example, you do not think people not being in close contact, work, pubs, restaurant's etc, helps stop respiratory virus from spreading, do you know how virus's spread. Funny that colds, flu and other respiratory illnesses decrease during the summer without lockdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, AVB said: And now the vulnerable don’t need to shield. No sense at all. That isn't what he said. What he said was "Prime Minister Boris Johnson said people over 60 and those who are clinically vulnerable are being told to be especially careful to follow the rules and minimise their contact with others" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, AVB said: Funny that colds, flu and other respiratory illnesses decrease during the summer without lockdown. Yeah and they have decreased dramatically in other countries, during flu season because of lockdowns and social distancing. But it pointless discussing it with someone that can not comprehend that keeping your distance from someone with a virus can help prevent you catching it from them. Edited October 31, 2020 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: That isn't what he said. What he said was "Prime Minister Boris Johnson said people over 60 and those who are clinically vulnerable are being told to be especially careful to follow the rules and minimise their contact with others" As is everybody else. They are not being told to shield as they did during the first lockdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, ditchman said: so all you young folks out there...treat lockdown as familisation practice....because this is what you have got , to look forward to.....your mates dieing one by one....not feeling well like you used to...people dont come to see you anymore...people avoid you.............. and your most frequent social events are FUNERALS welcome to our world lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bavarianbrit Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Well I am in the middle of moving from one house in Dover to another in Dover planned day this morning was on 14th Nov, I cannot find anything on gov.org that allows or prohibits it so far. On 20th then driving back to Germany, that will be interesting as my wife has to go there for a planned operation to change her stents which cannot be postponed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, AVB said: As is everybody else. Everyone to be careful and follow rules but people over 60 and those who are clinically vulnerable are being told to be especially careful That is not the same as your earlier "And now the vulnerable don’t need to shield." They are being told to shield "especially carefully" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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