armsid Posted March 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 I know that council tax goes to paying for services etc, but the amount of peoplenot paying and causing the increases year by year is frustrating, Students in full time education who live in a house pay no council tax and some of the properties contain more than 1 person, So if your 40 yrs old and enrol for full time education ie take up a course to change career you might not have to pay council tax as i do not think there is age mentioned you could save a fair bit but the services suffer as lloyd90 said so poll tax is the best as long as everyone pays, If you have a city/town with large numbers of student housing and benefit claimants (i have no problem with those rightly entitled to them) the bills can be astronomical, It should be fair all round the care has to be paid for but to keep the same system working is going to make a lot of us pay a lot more than we should, I think the time is right to bring in the poll tax before it is too late and councils start to go bust, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 5 hours ago, armsid said: , I think the time is right to bring in the poll tax before it is too late and councils start to go bust, All that people would have to do to avoid the poll tax is not register to vote and drop off the electoral register. Which is what happened last time, A lot of people only go on the electoral register because its one of the requirements to pass credit checks for finance. They would not stay on once they got the credit card or mobile phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bavarianbrit Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Vince Green said: All that people would have to do to avoid the poll tax is not register to vote and drop off the electoral register. Which is what happened last time, A lot of people only go on the electoral register because its one of the requirements to pass credit checks for finance. They would not stay on once they got the credit card or mobile phone The rest of Europe has compulsory registration of residents that was brought in by the allies at the end of WW2 and it works very well, but mention this in the land of the free UK and folks get up in arms about it. There is no other way to track the population and illegal immigration. Grow a pair Boris and do something useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, bavarianbrit said: but mention this in the land of the free UK and folks get up in arms about it. We’ve been under house arrest for the past year, doubt Boris would encounter much resistance. In any case, in theory registering with your local council is compulsory here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, bavarianbrit said: The rest of Europe has compulsory registration of residents that was brought in by the allies at the end of WW2 and it works very well, but mention this in the land of the free UK and folks get up in arms about it. There is no other way to track the population and illegal immigration. Grow a pair Boris and do something useful. I completely agree, it really couldn't be more obvious could it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 On 13/03/2021 at 07:45, bostonmick said: Opposite my three bed is a eight bed three garage set in three acres detached but pays exactly the same council tax as me .So the current system is not a fair division . Do they have more bins than you, use more street sweepers than you. The whole system is wrong. Why should a bigger property pay more, may only be one or two people living in it. Where as a small semi could have 8 living in it, yet pay much less. Do more police or fire engines turn up if a 999 call is made, no. So what are they paying for. It shouldn't ever be a wealth tax there are enough if them already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 On 14/03/2021 at 12:35, figgy said: Do they have more bins than you, use more street sweepers than you. The whole system is wrong. Why should a bigger property pay more, may only be one or two people living in it. Where as a small semi could have 8 living in it, yet pay much less. Do more police or fire engines turn up if a 999 call is made, no. So what are they paying for. It shouldn't ever be a wealth tax there are enough if them already. Fair or not the current system as far as i am aware is based on the rental value of the property.so if they are 2k or thereabouts a month and mine is 800 thdn yes they should pay higher or I should pay less.a poll tax style is a fairer way.as for what services we get weĺl bins emptied.no street lights no library no bus service.no road sweeping.no gulleys cleared.no verges cu unless locals do it for free.roads are more like hard-core tracks now.you can't get into the civic amenity sites so rubbish now dumped in gateways then cleared and paid for by us landowners.i could go on but really don't have hours to waste animals need tending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, bostonmick said: i am aware is based on the rental value of the property. Not so in fact. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/understand-how-council-tax-bands-are-assessed It is based on the notional value as at 1st April 1991 (in England) and the bands are arranged around the values. Like you - I get bins emptied - and precious little else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 double beds /2 bathrooms and I pay £109 a month but I live on my own permanently . my kids stop over every other weekend but they are only young . To be fair I fill half a bin and spend my life at work . I’d rather pay full amount and have a family but that’s a different story. my parents live in the same size house 1 mile away and pay £180 a month . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 Mine is £300 a month. I think that is just nuts but there you go. I get my bin emptied once a fortnight, no street lights, no bus within 2-3 miles, roads full of potholes, etc etc. Can't say I would move just to get it cheaper though. Rural 3 bed detached, not exactly a mansion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, 39TDS said: Mine is £300 a month. I think that is just nuts but there you go. I get my bin emptied once a fortnight, no street lights, no bus within 2-3 miles, roads full of potholes, etc etc. Can't say I would move just to get it cheaper though. Rural 3 bed detached, not exactly a mansion. Bloody hell where is that? Must be one of the posh counties! 4 bed town house in Bristol and ours has just gone up to £260 pcm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said: Bloody hell where is that? Must be one of the posh counties! 4 bed town house in Bristol and ours has just gone up to £260 pcm. Cheshire, but it shouldn't really matter. On the other hand the location makes a very big difference to the value, exact same house 20-30 miles away with better services could easy be worth a third less. Out of interest, what sort of money would yours be worth? Mine would be £6-650k at a push. Edited March 20, 2021 by 39TDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, 39TDS said: Cheshire, but it shouldn't really matter. On the other hand the location makes a very big difference to the value, exact same house 20-30 miles away with better services could easy be worth a third less. Out of interest, what sort of money would yours be worth? Mine would be £6-650k at a push. Next door just sold the other month for £450k. One a bit further up sold last year for £475k but had a lot spent on it. Depends on a lot of factors. Houses less than a mile down the road £250k. We do live in a major city where you can see those sorts of changes over short distances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 Location location location as they say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, 39TDS said: Location location location as they say The way in which they assess the value is here https://www.gov.uk/guidance/understand-how-council-tax-bands-are-assessed Location is indeed part of it - as is size, type, 'character' etc. The values are very much an 'approximation' as they don't take into account condition - which does of course affect the true resale value. For example - two originally identical houses - one of which has been allowed to fall into disrepair and is in need of serious expenditure, and the other of which has been fully modernised (but not extended) and is in immaculate condition with expensively fitted out internals - will pay the same nominal council tax. However - extending the property may move it to a different group. It is all a bit of a lottery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 Previous owner appealed the banding on my house, mostly on the grounds of a neighbouring property being on a lower band. Appeal was rejected and commented they were looking into the other property too. 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) I appealed the banding on my first property. luckily a friend bought a house in 1991 with an extra bedroom and bigger garden just up the road. I used his sales pack as my trump card. my band was lowered along with a fair few others. 110 if I recall upon enquiring as the estate was new it was subject to a paper banding using the present sale price minus x y z. All were 1 band higher than they should have been Edited March 21, 2021 by ph5172 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 I thought my £120 pcm was expensive!! Think I'll keep my trap shut.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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