old man Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 On 24/03/2021 at 16:39, Walker570 said: We used to use the term .."verbal diarrhoea" certainly a case of the squits on this subject. In short ... Thank god we are out ....and I'm an athiest Amen to that, I'm an atheist too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) On 24/03/2021 at 18:02, Raja Clavata said: Got any references? Does indeed sound like a bit of a stretch. Like I said previously 1-0 to us but let’s not complacent. BTW warning of potential problems hardly sounds like a hardline remoaner narrative? Did every expert in favour of Brexit completely reject the notion of any potential problems? A personal view. Sadly there were always going to be problems for us following the decision to leave because they didn't like independent thinking as the saying goes. We should never have gone into their club, personally I would remove the Knighthood of the one involved but bless him he was distracted? I choose independence over membership of a Euro super state every time, seemingly lots of amnesia within their ranks too when considering the sacrifices made here to give them the freedom act as they do? We will in time be better off, when our politicos wake up and work for our well being instead of playing away? Edited March 26, 2021 by old man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 On 26/03/2021 at 18:39, old man said: I choose independence over membership of a Euro super state every time, seemingly lots of amnesia within their ranks too when considering the sacrifices made here to give them the freedom act as they do? Are you referring to the world wars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 15 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: Are you referring to the world wars? The origins of the EU was born out of the situation at the end of WW2. OK the baby took a long time to grow into what it is now but its roots can't be forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 39 minutes ago, Vince Green said: The origins of the EU was born out of the situation at the end of WW2. OK the baby took a long time to grow into what it is now but its roots can't be forgotten. And the "baby" has turned in to a MONSTER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) I see Germany is knocking the Oxford vaccine again this morning COVID-19: Germany to suspend Oxford-AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine for under-60s | World News | Sky News Edited March 31, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Vince Green said: I see Germany is knocking the Oxford vaccine again this morning German and other European lives will be lost as a direct result of all this rumour-mongering. Merkel, Macron etc. have blood on their hands from their half witted comments. The truth is that the vaccine will save many lives and many many more nasty illnesses. No doubt. The vaccine may risk a very very few people from blood clots - not proven, but possible. Like so many medical treatments and procedures - the vast majority will benefit from the treatment. For a very few, things will go wrong. Not getting vaccinated is a BIG risk; getting vaccinated (with AZ, Pfizer, or others) is a TINY risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gu5 Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said: The vaccine may risk a very very few people from blood clots - not proven, but possible. A genetic issue called ‘Factor 5 Leiden’ aka economy class syndrome affects upto 10% of the population without the majority on people knowing they have it. The outcome is that they are more susceptible to blood clots. So if people affected are leading very sedentary lifestyles, spending all day in front of Netflix because they’ve just had a jab and feel rough, factor 5 is likely to play more of a part than the injection, but people put 2 and 2 together and come up with 93. Edited March 31, 2021 by Gu5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gu5 said: factor 5 is likely to play more of a part than the injection, I suspect you are quite right. Pre Covid (i.e about 2 years ago) one of my best friends suddenly collapsed at home and died - aged 64, fit, healthy, frequent exerciser, healthy diet, non smoker etc. Blood clot. Out of several friends, he was one I would have probably have tipped to last the longest, but he died 3 weeks away from collecting his pension. Tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 5 hours ago, Vince Green said: The origins of the EU was born out of the situation at the end of WW2. OK the baby took a long time to grow into what it is now but its roots can't be forgotten. i believe it was Hitlers dream as well............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 6 hours ago, Vince Green said: The origins of the EU was born out of the situation at the end of WW2. OK the baby took a long time to grow into what it is now but its roots can't be forgotten. I remember watching a YouTube video that explained a bit about the origins of the EU. It was explained by a former irish EU diplomat who is now campaigning for Ireland to leave. From what I remember of it the EU started by some agreement between the coal and steel industries. What this done was give France a big say in German affairs to appease France for the rearmamnent of Germany leading to them agreeing to the creation of the bundeswehr. They also had this thought that france would then always be the dominant power on the european mainland. So in short it was never about peace and cooperation, it was more about appeasing France and now look at the fine mess they have left the EU in with their vaccine attempt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rob85 said: I remember watching a YouTube video that explained a bit about the origins of the EU. It was explained by a former irish EU diplomat who is now campaigning for Ireland to leave. From what I remember of it the EU started by some agreement between the coal and steel industries. What this done was give France a big say in German affairs to appease France for the rearmamnent of Germany leading to them agreeing to the creation of the bundeswehr. They also had this thought that france would then always be the dominant power on the european mainland. So in short it was never about peace and cooperation, it was more about appeasing France and now look at the fine mess they have left the EU in with their vaccine attempt Its a very similar story with the agricultural subsidy, a simple cash backhander to French farmers in 1965. Its been there so long we don't even question why its paid but today ir represents over a third of the EU's entire budget The CAP is often explained as the result of a political compromise between France and Germany: German industry would have access to the French market; in exchange, Germany would help pay for France's farmers.[25] Edited March 31, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 On 30/03/2021 at 15:07, Raja Clavata said: Are you referring to the world wars? Sadly, yes. Grand amnesia IMHO. 4 hours ago, ditchman said: i believe it was Hitlers dream as well............. Possibly Napoleon before Adolt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 On 31/03/2021 at 12:00, ditchman said: i believe it was Hitlers dream as well............. Correct And before him kysor bill and before him napoleon. Could it be fourth time lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 On 31/03/2021 at 12:00, ditchman said: i believe it was Hitlers dream as well............. To unite Europe, hmmm, think that was a bit of a failure then. 1 hour ago, TRINITY said: Correct And before him kysor bill and before him napoleon. Could it be fourth time lucky So who is the dictator now, or is it successional dictators? Or perhaps Adolf Hitler, Kaiser Wilhelm and Napoleon were voted in just like the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, henry d said: To unite Europe, hmmm, think that was a bit of a failure then. So who is the dictator now, or is it successional dictators? Or perhaps Adolf Hitler, Kaiser Wilhelm and Napoleon were voted in just like the EU? There doesn't have to be a dictator, sometimes its the project Wasn't it Gerbachev who said something along the lines of "Its strange, just as we are trying to break up the Soviet System in Russia, Europe is trying to invent it"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, Vince Green said: There doesn't have to be a dictator, sometimes its the project Wasn't it Gerbachev who said something along the lines of "Its strange, just as we are trying to break up the Soviet System in Russia, Europe is trying to invent it"? gorberchov also said i believe........"the EU has acheived more in control in 20 years than we (USSR) have acheived since the formation of the Russian state" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 55 minutes ago, henry d said: To unite Europe, hmmm, think that was a bit of a failure then. So who is the dictator now, or is it successional dictators? Or perhaps Adolf Hitler, Kaiser Wilhelm and Napoleon were voted in just like the EU? Can you tell me the election she won ,because as far as I was aware no one voted for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 Oh and ,yes Henry, Adolf Hilter was voted in. So infact he had more democratic credibility than the EU present dictator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 39 minutes ago, TRINITY said: Oh and ,yes Henry, Adolf Hilter was voted in. So infact he had more democratic credibility than the EU present dictator Hitler was incredibly popular and admired, not only in Germany. In the 30s America thought he was a wonderful and inspirational leader. Even during the war he had a lot of supporters in the States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Vince Green said: There doesn't have to be a dictator, sometimes its the project Yes there does, does a project just suddenly appear out of the ether (answer is no)? There has to be an originator how can you believe a project/ideology/philosophy can come into existence without a person? Wukfittery of the highest quality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 4 hours ago, ditchman said: gorberchov also said i believe........"the EU has acheived more in control in 20 years than we (USSR) have acheived since the formation of the Russian state" Link please? 3 hours ago, TRINITY said: Oh and ,yes Henry, Adolf Hilter was voted in. So infact he had more democratic credibility than the EU present dictator Was he given a turn by member states and then voted in by his cohorts? (No is the answer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, henry d said: Link please? ohhh jeesus.............i heard that years ago..........think it was the result of an interview with Gorbachov on a very old Panorama or something like that.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 Just now, ditchman said: ohhh jeesus.............i heard that years ago..........think it was the result of an interview with Gorbachov on a very old Panorama or something like that.............. Excellent, not sure if you are like me but I prefer to be able to double check before I rely on the grey matter that time, alcohol, and genetics have altered over time. PS- Remember that tenner I loaned you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 if you want proof of everything i say.............i might as well shut down the computor are you suggesting that i need to lie......... all very strange and a tad insulting............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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