Pangolin Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 What sort of mumbling excuses does everyone expect this evening? "Just a couple of more weeks to assess the data" "We must take a cautious approach" "Variants of concern" "In this together" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 14/06/2021 at 15:18, Pangolin said: What sort of mumbling excuses does everyone expect this evening? "Just a couple of more weeks to assess the data" "We must take a cautious approach" "Variants of concern" "In this together" Expand Mumbling excuses for what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 14/06/2021 at 15:22, holloway said: Mumbling excuses for what ? Expand To justify extending restrictions to 19th July, which seems like its what hes going to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 14/06/2021 at 15:25, Pangolin said: To justify extending restrictions to 19th July, which seems like its what hes going to do. Expand Just look at the infection figures for yourself can't see how they could possibly open up now .Its a no brainier ,they don't need any excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 14/06/2021 at 15:32, holloway said: Just look at the infection figures for yourself can't see how they could possibly open up now .Its a no brainier ,they don't need any excuses. Expand Infections that arent translating to large numbers of deaths and overwhelmed hospitals isnt justification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) I don't really care to be honest, it doesn't affect me in the slightest one way or the other. Another month is fine by me Edited June 14, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 Me too, makes diddly squat difference to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 andrew lloyd webber could do with locking up...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 I care, even though it won’t affect me, but it’s not like anyone will ( or can ) do anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 14/06/2021 at 16:18, Vince Green said: I don't really care to be honest, it doesn't affect me in the slightest one way or the other. Another month is fine by me Expand On 14/06/2021 at 16:26, Cosmicblue said: Me too, makes diddly squat difference to me. Expand You selfish.... People are dying as a direct result of these restrictions, whether through their own hand, or from otherwise treatable conditions. Far more, incidentally, than are dying of (or even with) Covid. I guess just carry on with your "I'm alright Jack" attitude. Hope none of your nearest and dearest gets ill soon. On 14/06/2021 at 16:31, ditchman said: andrew lloyd webber could do with locking up...... Expand If he martyrs himself - and lets face it he can afford a good legal defence team - good on him. Won't make up for his crimes against music though. On 14/06/2021 at 16:34, Scully said: but it’s not like anyone will ( or can ) do anything about it. Expand I'm not quite so sure about that. People have seen the pictures from the G7 of the elites mingling freely whilst the staff were masked up. The one thing the British get most upset about is not playing by the rules, or their leaders applying different sets of rules. BoJo knows this, despite what the 'behavioural science' experts on SAGE have been telling him. Their tactics of FUD and the ahem....I'm alright Jack attitude typified by posters above, is barely keeping a lid on the situation. This summer will be ugly unless things change rapidly. I really would not want to be a police officer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 I will just carry on as usual. If I go to s shop/business which dictates I have to wear a face nappy I will go elsewhere and they lose my business simples. Get on and enjoy your lives, it ain't a rehearsal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 Wonder how many will turn out for the march on the 26th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 14/06/2021 at 16:51, udderlyoffroad said: I'm not quite so sure about that. People have seen the pictures from the G7 of the elites mingling freely whilst the staff were masked up. The one thing the British get most upset about is not playing by the rules, or their leaders applying different sets of rules. BoJo knows this, despite what the 'behavioural science' experts on SAGE have been telling him. Their tactics of FUD and the ahem....I'm alright Jack attitude typified by posters above, is barely keeping a lid on the situation. This summer will be ugly unless things change rapidly. I really would not want to be a police officer. Expand I genuinely hope you’re correct. I hope there’s civil unrest, and even though I was annoyed at the double standards at the G7, I’m also a shotgun and certificate holder, and as such won’t be rocking boats enough to put those at risk, just like any other dissenter on this forum. I have my own double standards to live by. The best I can do is take my custom elsewhere if I’m asked to wear a mask, and that’s it really, but living as rural as I do, if I’m refused service in the village shop, it’s an 18 mile round trip to the next shop, so it will be me who suffers and no one else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 14/06/2021 at 17:14, Scully said: I have my own double standards to live by. Expand 🤣 Never a truer word spoken in jest. Yep, thus far I have complied with mask-ery so as not to cause a scene. Unless I'm sure I'm unnecessarily burning bridges, no more. I have a condtion, doncha know. On 14/06/2021 at 16:18, Vince Green said: Another month is fine by me Expand It won't be another month. We're 14months into '3weeks to flatten the curve' This isn't over till the great British public say it's over. Not law-abiding licence holders, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 The sad thing is it doesn't matter how many turn out for the next march, it will be roundly ignored by the MSM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 I use as many local shops and businesses as I can and I do not wear a face nappy in any of them and have never been approached in any of them. Saw a woman walking her dog today in open countryside, at least a good half mile from any habitation and she is masked up. We now have over half the population scared witless to venture out. Pathetic. ....and they still let the garbage in across the Channel with no effort to turn them back. Over half of these have proved positve for covid. GREAT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 Only worry about the things you can change, I learned that a long time ago. As for the rest get on with it. Why should it bother you in the slightest what a woman chooses to do while out walking her dog? On 14/06/2021 at 18:00, Walker570 said: I use as many local shops and businesses as I can and I do not wear a face nappy in any of them and have never been approached in any of them. Saw a woman walking her dog today in open countryside, at least a good half mile from any habitation and she is masked up. We now have over half the population scared witless to venture out. Pathetic. Expand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 Quote People are dying as a direct result of these restrictions, whether through their own hand, or from otherwise treatable conditions. Far more, incidentally, than are dying of (or even with) Covid. Expand How many ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 14/06/2021 at 16:58, Pangolin said: Wonder how many will turn out for the march on the 26th. Expand All the usual trouble makers who turn out for every march irrespective of what its for will be there. If you are really lucky Jeremy Corbyn will turn up and make a speech about how its all Israel's fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 14/06/2021 at 18:08, ordnance said: How many ? Expand I'm absolutely sure that the death toll from undiagnosed "other conditions" will far and away exceed covid deaths. But there is the crunch If they had got people into covid infected hospitals for tests and treatment they too would have contracted covid and died anyway. And the BBC and the Guardian etc would have been howling incompetence from the roof tops. Damned if they do, damned if they dont Many people contracted covid from routine hospital appointments. A friend and neighbour of mine was one such example. He had a heart condition, I had no impression it was considered serious but a few day after a routine outpatients appointment he developed symptoms and within a few days he was gone. But then people were starting to say that people like him didn't really count because he had "underlying conditions". The implication being he was on the way out anyway but that was so very far from my impression of his condition. He was mid 60s and to my mind fit as a fiddle. Now there is a very serious backlog and to my mind there are other questions that need to be answered. A lot of GPs flat out refused to see or refer patients. Wise precaution or professional negligence? If you are paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a year (as many are) to treat patients that is their job. you surely can't refuse???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) On 14/06/2021 at 18:09, Vince Green said: All the usual trouble makers who turn out for every march irrespective of what its for will be there. If you are really lucky Jeremy Corbyn will turn up and make a speech about how its all Israel's fault Expand The last time they had a big march in London I dont recall much trouble if any at all. On 14/06/2021 at 18:04, Vince Green said: Only worry about the things you can change, I learned that a long time ago. As for the rest get on with it. Why should it bother you in the slightest what a woman chooses to do while out walking her dog? Expand Because when people get to that point of not thinking for themselves they wont question anything or stand up for anything, they'll go along with anything imposed on them. Edited June 14, 2021 by Pangolin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 Nice to see Boris bumbling through the questions again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 Quote But then people were starting to say that people like him didn't really count because he had "underlying conditions". The implication being he was on the way out anyway but that was so very far from my impression of his condition. He was mid 60s and to my mind fit as a fiddle. Expand Only a idiot would say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 14/06/2021 at 18:04, Vince Green said: Only worry about the things you can change, I learned that a long time ago. As for the rest get on with it. Why should it bother you in the slightest what a woman chooses to do while out walking her dog? Expand Didn't bother me a bit. Just went to prove the Government have turned a large number of the population into scaredy cats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 My son will not have sports day for the second year running, but other than that I cannot think of any way it affects me at all. I know people who died, including family, and people who have become chronically ill and still not recovered 6 months later. I am not that fussed about this one way or the other as I can see both the economic need to open up and also the humanitarian need to protect our brethren. If you think there is a simple answer to this then you are probably incapable of comprehending the complexity and difficultly of making decisions that will cost people their lives or their livelihoods. I dislike BoJo but you have to say he has a hard job at the minute, he (or rather the NHS and our excellent leftie university research departments) is doing better since January, the vaccine orders he placed outside of EU red tape surely give him some leeway. On 14/06/2021 at 20:46, Walker570 said: Didn't bother me a bit. Just went to prove the Government have turned a large number of the population into scaredy cats. Expand You don’t wear a face mask to save yourself from others, you wear a face mask to save others from yourself. She isn’t a scaredy cat, she is looking out for you in case she has the virus and you are vulnerable. Albeit misplaced concern as you are double vaccinated, but still you may pass it on to someone else who isn’t. Do I wear a mask when legally compelled to do so? Yes. Do I wear a mask at any other time? No. What do I think when I see someone not wearing a mask in a supermarket? “That poor soul must have some medical complication or more likely be a victim of a horrific sexual assault”, I certainly do not think “Wow, looks at him. He’s such an outlaw, with balls of steel.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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