Prince Andrew

[figgy]

I'm sure there will have been lots of talking going on behind closed doors,  Andy will have been advised and will do as he is advised to do.

As for losing sleep I don't think he will give a hoot about some civil case.

As for the age of the woman. I knew what I was doing at that age, I didn't make the right choices all the time and I'm sure most don't. To say at 17 she didn't know what she was doing, no way am I believing that.

I do however believe she has done things back then she wouldn't do now. 

 

Edited August 12, 2021 by figgy

[WalkedUp]

3 minutes ago, figgy said:

To say at 17 she didn't know what she was doing, no way am I believing that.

At what age do you consider child prostitution morally acceptable? Clearly it is illegal, but some here seem to be saying that there is an ethical grey area.

Edited August 12, 2021 by WalkedUp

[figgy]

What's this child thing ? the legal age for sex in this country is 16.  Like it or not that's the law. 

[WalkedUp]

Not for child prostitution, which is what the accusation is. 

Prince Andrew solicited a minor, a child, for prostitution. Epstien was the child’s pimp. This is illegal in both the UK and US. 

So.... at what age do you think children should be able to be used as prostitutes? 

[GingerCat]

I think he's more than a touch worried. The sexual offences act 2003 is quite unforgiving. It matters not where the offence happened to be tried in the UK if you are a UK citizen. She has ordered her team to have "another look" at the matter, quite a trial that would be before retirement. 

[WalkedUp]

12 minutes ago, figgy said:

the legal age for sex in this country is 16

Nope. It is not. 

[Dave-G]

Apart from US totally loving litigation, Royal protocol is to not comment on any issue levelled at them, despite that Andy Pandy did a silly interview.  My feeling is he'd not get fair press in either UK nor USA so ought not volunteer to indulge them any further.

[ordnance]

49 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

Nope. It is not. 

Is it not 16 in England ?

[WalkedUp]

Just now, ordnance said:

Is it not 16 in England ?

No, the legal age of consent varies depending upon the circumstances. E.g. Being in a position of trust or being paid to perform sexual acts. It is most frequently, but not always, 16. 

[henry d]

12 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

I have to ask myself, what would I do if I was a wealthy prince.  While not into children, drug fueled hooker parties would definitely be high on my list.  

Daughter- Dad, can I go hang out on a island with rich old men? 
 

Me- No.   

I started to pick apart your post but you are just a troll, trying to get either a rise or someone to polish your ego. Perhaps you should crawl back under your bridge until you have something positive to add to the forum

[WalkedUp]

I don’t know much about this (or any) area of the law. But I know enough to recognise that I don’t know much! 

[henry d]

1 minute ago, WalkedUp said:

No, the legal age of consent varies depending upon the circumstances. E.g. Being in a position of trust or being paid to perform sexual acts. It is most frequently, but not always, 16. 

Differentials in age are also a factor in prosecutions

[WalkedUp]

Just now, henry d said:

I started to pick apart your post but you are just a troll, trying to get either a rise or someone to polish your ego. Perhaps you should crawl back under your bridge until you have something positive to add to the forum

At Nobody Important is not a troll, he has different opinions on this to you and me. 

The high end hooker party sounds like it would be an inevitability of me being insanely wealthy, I am a weak man... but the key aspect is if you belive children should be allowed to be used for prostitution. I am against it and believe the minimum age of consent for each of pornography and prostitution should be considerably raised. 

Perhaps 25 or 30, if a 30 year old woman decided to sell her body then why not. But I believe society should protect the young and vulnerable from those who would abuse their naivety. 

[ordnance]

2 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

No, the legal age of consent varies depending upon the circumstances. E.g. Being in a position of trust or being paid to perform sexual acts. It is most frequently, but not always, 16. 

A lot depends on circumstances, but the legal age is still 16 is it not. The speed limit on a motorway is 70, depending on the circumstances. 

[WalkedUp]

Just now, ordnance said:

A lot depends on circumstances, but the legal age is still 16 is it not. The speed limit on a motorway is 70, depending on the circumstances. 

No it is not 70! 

Do the signs read “70” or is it a white circle with a black diagonal demarking “national speed limit”?

Each class of vehicle is given its own speed limit. 

[henry d]

10 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

At Nobody Important is not a troll, he has different opinions on this to you and me. 

As I also have different opinions from you, he is a troll in my opinion.

[WalkedUp]

🤣🤣🤣

Ok, ok. Each to their own. 

[ordnance]

4 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

No it is not 70! 

Do the signs read “70” or is it a white circle with a black diagonal demarking “national speed limit”?

Each class of vehicle is given its own speed limit. 

For most cars, i do know lorries etc have different limits. As i said depending on the circumstances / conditions.

Quote

The national speed limit is 70 mph (113 kilometres per hour) (km/h) on motorways, 70 mph (113 km/h) on dual carriageways, 60 mph (97 km/h) on single carriageways and generally 30 mph (48 km/h) in areas with street lighting 

 

[WalkedUp]

15 minutes ago, henry d said:

Differentials in age are also a factor in prosecutions

I socially work on the “trusted” formula of an acceptable differential for sexual relations being 1/2 your age +7 😎

7 + (n/2) < x < (2*n) - 7

where x is your age and n is your proposed partner’s age. 

[ditchman]

7 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

I socially work on the “trusted” formula of an acceptable differential for sexual relations being 1/2 your age +7 😎

7 + (n/2) < x < (2*n) - 7

where x is your age and n is your proposed partner’s age. 

that wouldnt go down well in Norfolk...whatever it is...all that fancy writing

[WalkedUp]

4 minutes ago, ordnance said:

For most cars, i do know lorries etc have different limits. As i said depending on the circumstances / conditions.

 

I do not doubt you know, you are a sensible guy. I am merely highlighting that the supposed grey area is none existent. To use your motorway example, Prince Andrew is driving a Transit van (or other goods vehicle) he has borrowed from his mate Jezza Epstien, he is doing 69mph on the motorway. Is his driving legal? Is the speed limit on a motorway 70mph or is it just frequently 70mph for certain classes of vehicle?

[Vince Green]

On 11/08/2021 at 17:07, Cosmicblue said:

Having an  acquaintance who is sat in Stafford prison right now doing a 7 year term having been convicted on the allegations of two girls for events that were claimed to be  closing 50 years ago where no proof was presented not even proven dates with the accusers hoping for financial compensation (having had multiple children by multiple partners and living on benefits), the chances of the prince getting a fair trial seem slim.

From both sides point of view accusations of sexual impropriety can be very difficult to either prove or refute.

Years ago, I would say around the late 70s when I was quite heavily involved in the trade union movement there was a militant womens group called (I think) the London women's group who actively advocated making false allegations against male bosses to clear them out of the system so they could be replaced by hard line women or sympathetic male activists. This was in local government and nationalised industries. 

[NoBodyImportant]

3 hours ago, WalkedUp said:

At what age do you consider child prostitution morally acceptable? Clearly it is illegal, but some here seem to be saying that there is an ethical grey area.

At 15 I was being molested by a single mom in her 20s.  It was a magical time for my penis and I.   I certainly made the decision to take part.  I’m not saying it should be legal but a 17 year old knows what’s right and wrong.  I think of her more of a participant then a victim.  

Edited August 12, 2021 by NoBodyImportant

[NoBodyImportant]

3 hours ago, WalkedUp said:

Not for child prostitution, which is what the accusation is. 

Prince Andrew solicited a minor, a child, for prostitution. Epstien was the child’s pimp. This is illegal in both the UK and US. 

So.... at what age do you think children should be able to be used as prostitutes? 

I think the over looked grey area is Epstein never really paid for sex.  According to his own accusers he would give them large amount of money and gifts while they hung out with him and he paid for non sexual messages.  But it was well know that girls that didn’t put out was not invited back.   But in the Andrew case she was told to treat Andrew like he was Epstein.  So kinda but not really.  

3 hours ago, Dave-G said:

Apart from US totally loving litigation, Royal protocol is to not comment on any issue levelled at them, despite that Andy Pandy did a silly interview.  My feeling is he'd not get fair press in either UK nor USA so ought not volunteer to indulge them any further.

This is actually a pretty good defense. While I personally think it happened.  He is high profile and when high profile people denies accusations it’s lend credibility to it.  Where if he plays it off like it’s so ridiculous that he doesn’t even respond it seems less suspicious. 

[NoBodyImportant]

But you know why I actually believe her?   Because when the wholepizza-gate and pedo island where the world elite would have sex parties sounded so ludicrous 5 years ago the pieces of the puzzle are slowly filling in and one by one the whistle blower has been shown correct.  I mean this person couldn’t have guessed about all this stuff so he had inside knowledge.