henry d Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Vince Green said: It has been said... Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 hours ago, ditchman said: i see suella Braverman aint done much..................after all the hype sayin' she was the one for the job..............same old same old Goes for Rishi boy too, all talk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 13 hours ago, henry d said: Where? Why don't you post some evidence showing illegal immigrants aren't coming here, although I won't expect much from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: Why don't you post some evidence showing illegal immigrants aren't coming here, although I won't expect much from you. Yeah , and make sure its from sources that we approve of, we dont want any of your 'bias' creeping in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 Just now, Rewulf said: Yeah , and make sure its from sources that we approve of, we dont want any of your 'bias' creeping in 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Why don't you post some evidence showing illegal immigrants aren't coming here, although I won't expect much from you. But they are not illegal immigrants are they? They are poor unfortunate seafarers who got rescued by the lifeboat or the coastguard when their inflatable dinghy got into trouble. Haha! Joking apart though, the fact that "we" brought them ashore makes their status less easy to define. Answer ? Stop rescuing them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Vince Green said: But they are not illegal immigrants are they? They are poor unfortunate seafarers who got rescued by the lifeboat or the coastguard when their inflatable dinghy got into trouble. Haha! Joking apart though, the fact that "we" brought them ashore makes their status less easy to define. Answer ? Stop rescuing them? The answer is we drop them straight back to a French beach. Problem solved over night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: The answer is we drop them straight back to a French beach. Problem solved over night. The truth is it wouldn't be solved over night but gradually, as the message got back to the camps across the channel they would realise it was hopeless, then it would work. And it would solve France's problem too because they would stop coming to the channel ports in the first place. No point trying if you just going to get sent back Edited February 9, 2023 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 51 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: The answer is we drop them straight back to a French beach. Problem solved over night. Blimey. We can't cause an incident at a French port, if we did they would retaliate by refusing to take our money? 🙃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Vince Green said: The truth is it wouldn't be solved over night but gradually, as the message got back to the camps across the channel they would realise it was hopeless, then it would work. And it would solve France's problem too because they would stop coming to the channel ports in the first place. No point trying if you just going to get sent back I guarantee if the illegals weren't getting in, within a week it'd be over, they're fully versed in milking the system! 1 hour ago, old man said: Blimey. We can't cause an incident at a French port, if we did they would retaliate by refusing to take our money? 🙃 😉👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 17 hours ago, Vince Green said: The truth is it wouldn't be solved over night but gradually, as the message got back to the camps across the channel they would realise it was hopeless, then it would work. And it would solve France's problem too because they would stop coming to the channel ports in the first place. No point trying if you just going to get sent back No I don't think it would, it would be back to lorries etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 46 minutes ago, henry d said: No I don't think it would, it would be back to lorries etc. Did upto a 1000 people a day cross via lorries ? All that is needed in that case is better controlling of the said lorries . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 fit an extraction port on all the rigid body lorries - and then before boarding connect an extractor up and suck the air out. This will stop those lorries being used. I am not condoning killing anyone - make sure it is well publicised at the camps and on all the fences around the ports - so an effective deterrent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, henry d said: No I don't think it would, it would be back to lorries etc. Which is far more controllable and would mean tens of thousands less illegal immigrants a year, but you won't reply as you never do when you don't have an answer that suits your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, discobob said: fit an extraction port on all the rigid body lorries - and then before boarding connect an extractor up and suck the air out. This will stop those lorries being used. I am not condoning killing anyone - make sure it is well publicised at the camps and on all the fences around the ports - so an effective deterrent. Or we could breed big ferrets and chase them out... 😵💫 2 hours ago, johnphilip said: Did upto a 1000 people a day cross via lorries ? All that is needed in that case is better controlling of the said lorries . We had controls before but plenty get through, but they disappear off into the black economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 There will be no answer until the UK creates a legal and sale route. Its a step too far for the blinkered right wing. Most are happier bleating rather than seeking a workable solution, to an issue that must get many times worse yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 minute ago, oowee said: There will be no answer until the UK creates a legal and sale route. Its a step too far for the blinkered right wing. Most are happier bleating rather than seeking a workable solution, to an issue that must get many times worse yet. There is NO LEGAL and SAFE Route, the vast majority are economic migrants and those that are running away from their families due to persecution should be fighting their cause in their own country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHE Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 21 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: The answer is we drop them straight back to a French beach. Problem solved over night. That has been tried by Border Force, but they simply threaten to jump overboard if the ship heads anywhere except to Britain. 2 hours ago, discobob said: fit an extraction port on all the rigid body lorries - and then before boarding connect an extractor up and suck the air out. This will stop those lorries being used. I am not condoning killing anyone - make sure it is well publicised at the camps and on all the fences around the ports - so an effective deterrent. That would be illegal. 2 hours ago, johnphilip said: Did upto a 1000 people a day cross via lorries ? All that is needed in that case is better controlling of the said lorries . Difficult since leaving the EU 47 minutes ago, henry d said: Or we could breed big ferrets and chase them out... 😵💫 We had controls before but plenty get through, but they disappear off into the black economy. This is true. The one benefit of them coming in by sea is that very few disappear into the black economy, because it suits them to accept free accommodation and £38 per week. The big problem is that it takes so long to process them, in some cases many years, simply because the government hasn't allocated enough resource. Because of this, most of them work illegally for around £5 per hour, damaging our economy. 14 minutes ago, oowee said: There will be no answer until the UK creates a legal and sale route. Its a step too far for the blinkered right wing. Most are happier bleating rather than seeking a workable solution, to an issue that must get many times worse yet. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 57 minutes ago, henry d said: Or we could breed big ferrets and chase them out... 😵💫 then the ferrets would become a problem if they escaped 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: There is NO LEGAL and SAFE Route, the vast majority are economic migrants and those that are running away from their families due to persecution should be fighting their cause in their own country. As I said no progress until we create one. The numbers trying to enter will have to get much much higher in the future. Hand wringing won't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 37 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: ...and those that are running away from their families due to persecution should be fighting their cause in their own country. Yeah that's going to work 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 I think we should flood the country with these migrants and when its at braking point, let more in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, old'un said: I think we should flood the country with these migrants and when its at braking point, let more in. World Bank reckons 218m people displaced by climate change by 2050. Other reports put the number at 1.2bn our share of either is many times more than we have currently. Given the labour shortage, ageing population and reducing birth rate we have plenty of space. We need a far better program of support and integration rather than the present no plan no preparation approach we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, oowee said: World Bank reckons 218m people displaced by climate change by 2050. Other reports put the number at 1.2bn our share of either is many times more than we have currently. Given the labour shortage, ageing population and reducing birth rate we have plenty of space. We need a far better program of support and integration rather than the present no plan no preparation approach we have now. ha, forgot about global warming, so we can also add another 100 million that have been displaced by war and famine, be interesting to see what this country looks like in 2050 with all these well integrated people shoulder to shoulder, of course there will be no societies within society will there? Think tribal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 2 hours ago, GHE said: That has been tried by Border Force, but they simply threaten to jump overboard if the ship heads anywhere except to Britain. Let them jump, fish them out and dump them straight back on a French beach. Its what Australian did and it stopped the vast majority of their illegal migration problems virtually overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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