smokingdragon Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Afternoon! I'm doing the prep for my SGC renewal and thought it might be worth applying for a coterminous FAC at the same time. is there a disadvantage in applying for a number of different slots for the FAC? I don't need CF and .22WMR will do for the close range foxes, I also thought I'd ask for FAC air and .22LR. The land is mine and to my knowledge not cleared for anything although surrounding land has been cleared for rim fire by the sound of it 🙂 I think I have to specify a moderator for each slot, but do you have to specify semi auto or bolt action? Cheers Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Coterminous saves you money in the long run. I've done this for the past 10 years (two renewals) There is no disadvantage in asking for various calibre rifles. You don't have to specify semi auto or bolt action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 As Steve has said, just ask for what you need. You will need a slot for any moderator you intend to use on any rifle on your FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingdragon Posted March 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Cheers guys! - so when specifying a rifle, do I put down .22 WMR +Mod? Or separate slot for each moderator? Sorry for the questions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, smokingdragon said: Cheers guys! - so when specifying a rifle, do I put down .22 WMR +Mod? Or separate slot for each moderator? Sorry for the questions! Mod is a Separate item, so you'd have to say 22wmr, bolt action, etc on one line, then SAK sound moderator on next line for example. You do have to note the action be it bolt.or semi auto etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: You do have to note the action be it bolt.or semi auto etc I have never specified this and it's never been questioned, that's across 2 seperate forces. I just put the calibre down, for .22 I don't even specify LR. Yes each moderator is it's own slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: I have never specified this and it's never been questioned, that's across 2 seperate forces. I just put the calibre down, for .22 I don't even specify LR. Yes each moderator is it's own slot. this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 And I don't think you need to be as specific as which make of moderator just which caliber it's for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingdragon Posted March 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Getting clearer now! Thanks!!!😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Don't forget the reason for wanting them. Ie something dedicated for night shooting etc. Ie why do you want .22lr and wmr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Your land will need clearing as well, I believe (this bit I'm not sure about). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Newbie to this said: I have never specified this and it's never been questioned, that's across 2 seperate forces. I just put the calibre down, for .22 I don't even specify LR. Yes each moderator is it's own slot. It's on the form I have to fill in. Action / type is specified... I'd imagine this again is just force specific. 51 minutes ago, Mr.C said: And I don't think you need to be as specific as which make of moderator just which caliber it's for. When buying I should have said. You do have to put 22 Moderator, so they know which rifle will have the mod when applying Edited March 11, 2022 by ShootingEgg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Just now, ShootingEgg said: It's on the form I have to fill in. Action / type is specified... I'd imagine this again is just force specific. Must be, I have just done my renewal with Kent and action/type was not on the part for firearms to aquire. Just calibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 You only need mention mods if you actually want one, they aren’t compulsory. Regarding rimfires, I only ever specified the calibre, and never lr or otherwise, as it kept my options open. I realise times have changed, but back in the day a RFD would sell you either WMR or whatever, as long as it was rimfire. They may still do. 🤷♂️ I never specified mechanism, that was only written on the ticket once bought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 The application form - Form 201 - is issued by the Govt. Publishing service and is the application form that should be used by all firearms licensing departments. It does not require the applicant to specify the action type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingdragon Posted March 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 On the South Wales Police application form there are 3 headings Calibre - Type - Reason. When I asked them about what was the lowest calibre they approve for fox and they said 22WMR or 22 Hornet but the cost of Hornet rounds make it a no goer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, smokingdragon said: On the South Wales Police application form there are 3 headings Calibre - Type - Reason. When I asked them about what was the lowest calibre they approve for fox and they said 22WMR or 22 Hornet but the cost of Hornet rounds make it a no goer. Type = Rifle etc. No need to specify bolt. Edit-If you fill out the application online, the "Type" box has a dropdown predefined selection. None of which are bolt/semi-auto. Edited March 12, 2022 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 Just for clarity, it would seem that "action" only comes into play on F202. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 30 minutes ago, smokingdragon said: On the South Wales Police application form there are 3 headings Calibre - Type - Reason. When I asked them about what was the lowest calibre they approve for fox and they said 22WMR or 22 Hornet but the cost of Hornet rounds make it a no goer. Talk about chalk and cheese. Obviously, they haven't heard about the 17WSM which fits nicely between the two. The problem is though that being rimfire it's ammo dependent for accuracy and currently - with no sign of any change - we can only get one make and whereas mine is just about OK for fox, it's no good for the other intended use so I have to use the two quoted as applicable. Appreciate your initial problem, but don't discard the 22 Hornet totally. Re-loading brings the price down to WMR level or better and even when sensibly done can make a mockery of many, if not all, of the factory offerings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 18 hours ago, Mr.C said: And I don't think you need to be as specific as which make of moderator just which caliber it's for. Agreed. No need to put down the make of the moderator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 You have stated that you dont need a centre fire as the 22WMR is enough, but (just a little but) 😉 A 22CF eg 222 or 223, will give you more margin for error and be able to reach out to those smart Fox's that seem to know just how far a RF can reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 A .223 REM is much more versatile and fairly cheap to run in factory or in home loaded rounds. A .223 REM will also allow home cast bullets (55gr x 1800 fps) to be used delivering 395 ft.lbs which is very similar to WMR performance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 .........and come to think of it, instead of a FAC air rifle, just use CCI CB Longs in .22LR to give you a very quiet 29 gr., 710 fps, 32 ft.lb. round without all the pump / bottle / seals / pressure drop issues of a precharged air rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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