Pushkin Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 Scully its no school they go to, its universities majoring in politics with a strong union element to explain to potential union leaders how best to control the Major political groups and also employers. Its a hard school of learning though from what I heard. Years ago it was visiting lecturers from the old school trade unions that did the lectures Hope this helps Pushkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 34 minutes ago, Scully said: ........All these strikes ( nurses and teachers next ) all we need now to complete the ‘70’s scenario is a few power cuts and we’ll be there! No, you missed out the streets piled up with bin bags, oh and the mortuaries with unburied corpses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Pushkin said: Scully its no school they go to, its universities majoring in politics with a strong union element to explain to potential union leaders how best to control the Major political groups and also employers. Its a hard school of learning though from what I heard. Years ago it was visiting lecturers from the old school trade unions that did the lectures Hope this helps Pushkin Ta. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 55 minutes ago, Scully said: Is there a school where union leaders go to where they learn union speak? They all sound like they’re straight from the 1970’s and have just left the Wheeltappers club. All these strikes ( nurses and teachers next ) all we need now to complete the ‘70’s scenario is a few power cuts and we’ll be there! Hello, if you were a union rep back then you could use this to your advantage , 2 I knew ended up as Court magistrates 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, if you were a union rep back then you could use this to your advantage , 2 I knew ended up as Court magistrates 🤔 The most aggressive ( he had a reputation as a bully and a hard man ) union rep’ I knew, was so militant that the company he worked for gave him a job on the management, and he eventually became the manager of the dairy I worked at. An unpleasant man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, Scully said: The most aggressive ( he had a reputation as a bully and a hard man ) union rep’ I knew, was so militant that the company he worked for gave him a job on the management, and he eventually became the manager of the dairy I worked at. An unpleasant man. Hello, that's interesting 1 of those I knew worked in a Dairy 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 27 minutes ago, Scully said: The most aggressive ( he had a reputation as a bully and a hard man ) union rep’ I knew, was so militant that the company he worked for gave him a job on the management, and he eventually became the manager of the dairy I worked at. An unpleasant man. In all my working life, I never met a pleasant union rep. Hence I spent my latter years in small companies where sensible changes could be made to improve efficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 35 minutes ago, Scully said: The most aggressive ( he had a reputation as a bully and a hard man ) union rep’ I knew, was so militant that the company he worked for gave him a job on the management, and he eventually became the manager of the dairy I worked at. An unpleasant man. Good union reps often get promoted into management positions( it's a well known management tactic) Management would rather have them on the inside piddling out , than on the outside piddling in. Good union reps , need to be just as , greedy , avaricious, and unreasonable , as greedy , avaricious, and unreasonable, company owners . That's the only way that they can meet somewhere in the middle. A good company, with good owners and management, don't need union involvement, because fair play and common sense , can solve most issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 43 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, that's interesting 1 of those I knew worked in a Dairy 🤔 He was from Lockerbie. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, mel b3 said: ...... A good company, with good owners and management, don't need union involvement, because fair play and common sense , can solve most issues. Very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 12 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, as above, Due to COVID the major Airlines in UK shed 1000s of jobs despite the furlough payments the government gave them to hold jobs, and now they cannot get people to fill all the vacancies , I wonder why ? , Now we have a dispute on the railway networks, the government has put in Millions of £s to up grade lines, trains, and stations, fares are an all time high, more people are needing to travel by train , Network rail wants to shed 1000s of jobs , will safety be compromised ,they want to change work patterns and pay, HS2 is millions over budget, just to take off 30 minutes journey, have the railway workers a genuine case to strike ? or is it another Tory way to stop the big unions from getting members decent pay and conditions , is labour sitting on the fence or falling over themselves to bash Grant Shapps , is it time for ACAS ? any thoughts PW ?? Thanks for all the replies so far, 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 On 21/06/2022 at 12:23, Walker570 said: Yes I know that Dave, but months of not seeing them ???? On 21/06/2022 at 12:31, TIGHTCHOKE said: I assure you they are up there. Here you go Nev, a shot from ADS b Exchange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 You want to hear something weird about American trains companies. They are so powerful that company employees don’t have to pay our Social Security Tax. Nor do the state and local police forces have jurisdiction on railroad property or crimes against the railroad. You kill a train conductor the railroad men come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 Strange how this has started just as by elections are ongoing - just call me a cynic😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 38 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Strange how this has started just as by elections are ongoing - just call me a cynic😉 You're a cynic, three by-elections, really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 40 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Strange how this has started just as by elections are ongoing - just call me a cynic😉 Hope you aren't suggesting the unions want the Tories to look bad 😅😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 3 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: You're a cynic, three by-elections, really? May be only 3 but you can bet the Remain stream Media will be all over it like a bad rash if even 1 changes hands with the biased broadcasting cohort to the fore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 Well conditions must have been spot on yesterday about mid day because I saw one con trail en route south east, not another in sight. All those on your picture must be hiding behind the clouds ..... hang on there weren't any clouds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 They may just be really small - or far away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 Classic 😄😄😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 Soon to become known as the Walker explanation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 Fame at last !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) Hello, now Boris and his gang want to bring in a law where agency staff can be hired , would that be for train driving, ? Engineering maintenance and safety, or a platform flag waver/whistle blower, ?? I got caught up in Union disputes in the 1980s , nobody crossed a picket line, I can remember miners who worked bussed in passed picket lines, ?? I now hear some BA staff looking at strike action, have the union leaders started to look at an on bloc all out what ever the cost to the UK, when there's 10s of 1000s needing food banks , do we need some common sense when companies look at pay rises and working condition for employees, let alone the self employed who work hard and have no union back up Edited June 23, 2022 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 21 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, now Boris and his gang want to bring in a law where agency staff can be hired , would that be for train driving, ? Engineering maintenance and safety, or a platform flag waver/whistle blower, ?? I got caught up in Union disputes in the 1980s , nobody crossed a picket line, I can remember miners who worked bussed in passed picket lines, ?? I now hear some BA staff looking at strike action, have the union leaders started to look at an on bloc all out what ever the cost to the UK, when there's 10s of 1000s needing food banks , do we need some common sense when companies look at pay rises and working condition for employees, let alone the self employed who work hard and have no union back up Best of luck to them trying to find agency staff to drive trains , we can't even find enough agency staff to load bin lorries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, mel b3 said: Best of luck to them trying to find agency staff to drive trains , we can't even find enough agency staff to load bin lorries. Hello, that is what I was thinking, just get more direct staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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