villaman Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 What’s is the law shooting pigeons on allotments. They have done every method possible to scare them off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 is it council owned ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow243 Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 if its council owned or private owned the people will have to check their agreement to see if they are allowed to do pest control if not they would have to get permission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Check with your allotment committee. Almost every 'digger' when I had one kept an air rifle in his shed but times have changed for the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Hi villaman . I don’t think you could rely on any of the licences to use on allotments for crop protection , woodpigeon or feral pigeon. If feral pigeons are causing a health problem I would inform the owners of the allotment . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Netting, has that been tried? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 50 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Netting, has that been tried? most of the allotment owners today are tree huggers, if they see a bird tangled in the netting they would more than likely report you for cruelty. today shooting over allotments is a mine field, who owns the land? who owns the sporting rights? will the committee allow it? only need one person to complain to the committee or report you to the police saying a stray pellet hit their green house, as Walker said gone are the days when most old boys had an air rifle in the shed to shoot the pests, the tree huggers, the woke brigade, the Packham followers have taken over the asylum. go on most allotment websites and look at the abuse anyone gets when they mention shooting birds or rabbits for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, old'un said: most of the allotment owners today are tree huggers, if they see a bird tangled in the netting they would more than likely report you for cruelty. today shooting over allotments is a mine field, who owns the land? who owns the sporting rights? will the committee allow it? only need one person to complain to the committee or report you to the police saying a stray pellet hit their green house, as Walker said gone are the days when most old boys had an air rifle in the shed to shoot the pests, the tree huggers, the woke brigade, the Packham followers have taken over the asylum. go on most allotment websites and look at the abuse anyone gets when they mention shooting birds or rabbits for that matter. I quite agree with the above. It may be a lost cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian willetts Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Get written permission off the committee to allow you to shoot vermin I did that for the foxes on our allotments as people were losing chickens through the day as they were used to human being around I get asked to shoot rats crows and jackdaw our site is allotment association owned by the church with land agent collecting the rents each year you will become very popular with livestock owners good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 26 minutes ago, Ian willetts said: Get written permission off the committee to allow you to shoot vermin I did that for the foxes on our allotments as people were losing chickens through the day as they were used to human being around I get asked to shoot rats crows and jackdaw our site is allotment association owned by the church with land agent collecting the rents each year you will become very popular with livestock owners good luck if its council owned he has not got a cat in hell's chance of getting permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Ian, your not in Heaven are you. Hope not but what you say is very much the minority these days. As sais an absolute minefield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian willetts Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Well I have been on the same allotments from a kid I have live stock myself so with the air rifle and fens try and keep the rat population down they are getting more each year they usually go into the fields during summer but haven’t for a while now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7daysinaweek Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 5 hours ago, old'un said: most of the allotment owners today are tree huggers, if they see a bird tangled in the netting they would more than likely report you for cruelty. today shooting over allotments is a mine field, who owns the land? who owns the sporting rights? will the committee allow it? only need one person to complain to the committee or report you to the police saying a stray pellet hit their green house, as Walker said gone are the days when most old boys had an air rifle in the shed to shoot the pests, the tree huggers, the woke brigade, the Packham followers have taken over the asylum. go on most allotment websites and look at the abuse anyone gets when they mention shooting birds or rabbits for that matter. Agree with this. For what was probably approaching a couple of decades, I controlled the rabbits on three sets of horse paddocks all in different areas. One of the paddocks had some allotments adjoining it. Over the years it became increasingly tiresome dealing with the 'hassle' from both the owners of some of the horses, 'nosey walkers' ,and the police being called on a regualr occurence. Sad as I had some great evenings stalking them with my s410. Gave it up in the end on those areas. Let some one more 'resilient' than myself deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted July 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, ditchman said: is it council owned ? No privately owned and I shoot on the allotments , surrounding fields & and cricket pitch . Have permission from allotment committee and land owner , so no problem with that . They all complain about rabbits and pigeons so no tree huggers here Edited July 2, 2022 by villaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian willetts Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Crack on but be very careful of your back stops making sure all your shots are safe ones you don’t want to frighten or cause any problems with fellow holders good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) But, but, but what about that nasty toxic lead from your one or half dozen air rifle pellets landing on the soil and making all the produce, the cabbages, the onions, the raspberries deadly poisonous! Polluted by lead. Oh! Mummy! Help! Or at least get it done by 2025 when BASC's voluntary lead ban comes into force! 'Cos until then it's unpoisonous. BASC. The UK's "the Voice of Shooting". Bless them...years ago when people expressed such they locked them up in Bedlam. Edited July 2, 2022 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Hi villaman rabbits rats and fox are different under the law than pigeons. It’s against the law to kill pigeons unless you can rely on the general licence for the country you are using it in . I shoot in and around similar places, as 7daysinaweek said resilience is needed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 hours ago, villaman said: No privately owned and I shoot on the allotments , surrounding fields & and cricket pitch . Have permission from allotment committee and land owner , so no problem with that . They all complain about rabbits and pigeons so no tree huggers here well if you have permission from the allotment committee and land owner plus all the other plot holders then get on with it. it sounds as if you are well covered legally, as you say in your first post..."They have done every method possible to scare them off" and this one "They all complain about rabbits and pigeons" so as long as all the plot owners agree that its okay for you to shoot the pigeons then I would say you are good to go, but get it in writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 And ensure you have third party insurance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 well that sounds good.... 3 hours ago, villaman said: No privately owned and I shoot on the allotments , surrounding fields & and cricket pitch . Have permission from allotment committee and land owner , so no problem with that . They all complain about rabbits and pigeons so no tree huggers here im being really 2anal" here.....but i would write a short risk assesment ...and a method statement.....photo copy it and give one to the allotment commitee and keep the other one for yourself incase an active old bill turns up..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted July 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: And ensure you have third party insurance! Goes with out saying as I have FAC as well 24 minutes ago, ditchman said: well that sounds good.... im being really 2anal" here.....but i would write a short risk assesment ...and a method statement.....photo copy it and give one to the allotment commitee and keep the other one for yourself incase an active old bill turns up..... And why when I have permission Edited July 2, 2022 by villaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, villaman said: Goes with out saying as I have FAC as well And why when I have permission you dont have to do anything i suggest..........its just a feeling i have the way things are going...just being really proactive.....if the old bill get the slightest worry or complaint from some tree hugger...........they will close you down ...fact.........if you can go above and beyond with just a simple bit of paperwork....they will tell the complaining person everything is well handled within the law......... just my view anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Hello, a chap I know shoots on his local council owned Allotment, guess what he's a councilor 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted July 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 34 minutes ago, ditchman said: you dont have to do anything i suggest..........its just a feeling i have the way things are going...just being really proactive.....if the old bill get the slightest worry or complaint from some tree hugger...........they will close you down ...fact.........if you can go above and beyond with just a simple bit of paperwork....they will tell the complaining person everything is well handled within the law......... just my view anyway But if you have permission to shoot from land owner and allotment committee how the hell can they close you down . More scare mongering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted July 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 I was shooting at this allotments about a year ago , when 7 police were in the fields helicopte over head . I called them over saying can I help , they were looking for a missing person and asked if I had seen anyone. Told them I had a firearm with me , all they said , can I stop shooting until they had gone !! anther time just close the gate and locked it , police came by stopped and asked if we are working late as I was in a van . Told them we have permission to shoot on the allotments Turns out one was into shooting and talked over a hour about shooting and guns . Didn’t even ask names or permission letters like I said a lot of scare mongering goes on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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