Here comes Boris

[Scully]

8 hours ago, Weihrauch17 said:

I edited because I couldn't remember 100 % and gave you the benefit of the doubt but it seems you did so I withdraw any apology.  What melodramatic meltdown? Johnson has lied about virtually everything including his 100 votes, he would have stood no doubt.  Look at the FTSE tomorrow to answer your own question.    

You didn’t make an apology, not that I wanted one either way. 
You seem very keen to make statements you can’t prove, believing them to be fact when they’re just your opinion. As a shooter, and as a group, being on the receiving end of much false claims, you would think you would be averse to doing likewise. 
Can you not recall your hysterically hilarious meltdown? You know, the one where you claimed politicians were risking the lives of thousands ( if not millions ) of UK people? Remember? Which didn’t happen. Remember now? 
You keep repeating that Boris has lied about his 100 votes; do you know this or is it just again, your opinion? He may well have done so, but If you know it, then where is your source? That’s all I’m asking. How hard can it be? 
I’ve no interest in the FTSE to be honest, but looking at it won’t prove anything you’ve claimed. How could it? 

[old man]

12 hours ago, ditchman said:

well he has pulled out............

"the king is dead...long live king sunak 1st"......

where does this country go now ??

Too late mate, it's gone already!

[Mice!]

Boris might well have had 80 or 90 votes or he might have only had 50, he knows he's still under investigation so could bring more trouble to the party.

He's probably clever enough to know he wasn't getting back in this time, or that if he did it wouldn't last long.

 

[Mice!]

11 hours ago, ditchman said:

Sunak is devious ...brutal....calculating..........he will make tony blair look like a peniless tramp ...he needs to be watched and i mean watched very carefully..

That's probably what's need right now, he isn't likely to get caught out being an idiot or with his pants down.

It must be about the power with him, because he clearly doesn't need the money.

Let's see what happens 

[Gordon R]

Not sure why Boris even considered a return. Far more money to be made as an ex-Prime Minister.

[Scully]

24 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

Not sure why Boris even considered a return. Far more money to be made as an ex-Prime Minister.

Indeed. Including the autobiographical book deal….’Boris: my part in my own downfall’! 🙂 

[Mice!]

46 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

Not sure why Boris even considered a return. Far more money to be made as an ex-Prime Minister.

Imagine if he came back to save the party, it would be epic, but coming back to then be rejected would do him more harm then good. 

[old man]

12 hours ago, Weihrauch17 said:

We are in a much better place than with Johnson back in, Markets would have crashed, the pound would have tanked, borrowing costs shot up  and inflation up.  As much as I don't like Sunak this is far far preferable for the economy than Johnson.  He has been caught lying yet again about having 100 backers, if he had he would have gone for it given the size of his ego.

Two years is a very long time in Politics especially if the war ends.

Hasn't that been the case already?

It's just a playground for them all with no further thought for their actions than a 4 year old.

12 hours ago, ditchman said:

you have saved me making a long winded post....everything you say im on board with......i also think he feels a bit inferior to his father-in-law...and i think either by policy or proxy or insider dealing he will skew policy in the direction of benifitting his bank balance........

ok boris was a naughty boy...he got caught having a drink and a curry..and trusted the wrong people....as i have always said his SPADS were wasters....he was stupid but not devious...

Tony Blair came into office with a 50% mortgage and left office a very rich man.....

Sunak is devious ...brutal....calculating..........he will make tony blair look like a peniless tramp ...he needs to be watched and i mean watched very carefully..

We can watch all we like but he will operate in his own interests anyway?

[Rem260]

1 hour ago, Mice! said:

That's probably what's need right now, he isn't likely to get caught out being an idiot or with his pants down.

It must be about the power with him, because he clearly doesn't need the money.

Let's see what happens 

IMHO Can't help but think that it will open the doors to India. He is beholding to his father in law for his standing so will probably have to pay the piper.

[Gordon R]

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’Boris: my part in my own downfall’! 🙂 

Classic.

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IMHO Can't help but think that it will open the doors to India. He is beholding to his father in law for his standing so will probably have to pay the piper.

Why would you think that?

[oowee]

6 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

Not sure why Boris even considered a return. Far more money to be made as an ex-Prime Minister.

That question has been bugging me. No real money in going back to being a journo. He does not have the mediation skills of someone like Blair or the track record of delivery. Lots of contacts though. 

1 hour ago, Scully said:

Indeed. Including the autobiographical book deal….’Boris: my part in my own downfall’! 🙂 

Brilliant.

[Weihrauch17]

4 hours ago, Scully said:

You didn’t make an apology, not that I wanted one either way. 
You seem very keen to make statements you can’t prove, believing them to be fact when they’re just your opinion. As a shooter, and as a group, being on the receiving end of much false claims, you would think you would be averse to doing likewise. 
Can you not recall your hysterically hilarious meltdown? You know, the one where you claimed politicians were risking the lives of thousands ( if not millions ) of UK people? Remember? Which didn’t happen. Remember now? 
You keep repeating that Boris has lied about his 100 votes; do you know this or is it just again, your opinion? He may well have done so, but If you know it, then where is your source? That’s all I’m asking. How hard can it be? 
I’ve no interest in the FTSE to be honest, but looking at it won’t prove anything you’ve claimed. How could it? 

It did happen, did you miss the bit where the BOE had to spend billions to protect Pension funds from collapsing and mortgage rates going up from around 2% to 5 > 6% but oh it doesn't effect you in your little bubble so none of that matters?  Did you miss KK getting sacked, Truss resigning and the bulk of the mini budget being withdrawn?   Did none of that happen!!  If Johnson had his 100 votes he would be standing, no doubt with his ego.  Why do you think he came back early from his holiday? The FTSE reacts very strongly to political events and the financial implications of them, the FTSE 250 went down 10% in a week after the so called mini budget, then again it doesn't effect you so no matter. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11347693/The-Rishi-bounce-Pound-soars-1-14-Boris-Johnson-drops-Tory-leadership-race.html

Edited October 24, 2022 by Weihrauch17

[Mice!]

45 minutes ago, Rem260 said:

IMHO Can't help but think that it will open the doors to India. He is beholding to his father in law for his standing so will probably have to pay the piper.

If he's made PM, he'll be the first non white PM we've had, that will go down in history the same as Obama,  plus he'll be running the country,  if that doesn't impress the     F-in-L then nothing can.

[Mice!]

17 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

The FTSE reacts very strongly to political events and the financial implications of them, the FTSE 250 went down 10% in a week after the so called mini budget, then again it doesn't effect you so no matter

Do these things affect us in our daily lives?

Cost of living is up, food, fuel everything,  but it always goes up, rarely down.

The mortgage rates have been too low for a long time now restricting growth and meaning people borrow beyond their true means

20 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

It did happen, did you miss the bit where the BOE had to spend billions to protect Pension funds from collapsing

That's way beyond the man on the street, Germany did the same only something like double the amount or more, because of how a mini budget was worded?? And things settled within a few days, maybe because of the billions of imaginary money moved around??

[ditchman]

are we in for a surprise.....mordaunt confirms they have "more than 90 votes so far"

 

if she does reach the 100 by 2 thisafternoon.....if it goes to the con party vote she may will win ?????

[old'un]

16 minutes ago, ditchman said:

are we in for a surprise.....mordaunt confirms they have "more than 90 votes so far"

 

if she does reach the 100 by 2 thisafternoon.....if it goes to the con party vote she may will win ?????

Doubt it, we heard the same from the Boris camp.

[Rem260]

1 hour ago, Gordon R said:

Classic.

Why would you think that?

You don't think his father in law has any political and economic connections in Indian? 

[Weihrauch17]

52 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Do these things affect us in our daily lives?

Cost of living is up, food, fuel everything,  but it always goes up, rarely down.

The mortgage rates have been too low for a long time now restricting growth and meaning people borrow beyond their true means

That's way beyond the man on the street, Germany did the same only something like double the amount or more, because of how a mini budget was worded?? And things settled within a few days, maybe because of the billions of imaginary money moved around??

Things only settled down when the 'Mini' budget was canned, the FTSE 250 was down 10% in the week after it.  The interest rate rises that came after it haven't gone away.  For a Govt to publish a totally unfunded budget with no OBR report that would drive up inflation when it was already at 10% and drive up the cost of it's own borrowing when it owes 2.25 trillion and counting was absolute insanity.  What on earth did they expect would happen.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Weihrauch17

[JohnfromUK]

50 minutes ago, ditchman said:

if she does reach the 100 by 2 thisafternoon.....if it goes to the con party vote she may will win ?????

It is hardly an encouraging thought that the majority of MP's support Sunak ............... but the wider party members choose Mordaunt. 

It would leave Mordaunt with zero authority in Parliament - and result in the General Election Starmer wants - and a Labour Government with very probably a large majority.

It seems to me that for the MPs to tow the party line and allow there to be a real working majority, the leader needs to be the one the MPs have chosen.

[Gordon R]

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You don't think his father in law has any political and economic connections in Indian? 

Yes I do, but what exactly are you implying? Are you saying he is corrupt?

[Scully]

1 hour ago, Weihrauch17 said:

It did happen, did you miss the bit where the BOE had to spend billions to protect Pension funds from collapsing and mortgage rates going up from around 2% to 5 > 6% but oh it doesn't effect you in your little bubble so none of that matters?  Did you miss KK getting sacked, Truss resigning and the bulk of the mini budget being withdrawn?   Did none of that happen!!  If Johnson had his 100 votes he would be standing, no doubt with his ego.  Why do you think he came back early from his holiday? The FTSE reacts very strongly to political events and the financial implications of them, the FTSE 250 went down 10% in a week after the so called mini budget, then again it doesn't effect you so no matter. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11347693/The-Rishi-bounce-Pound-soars-1-14-Boris-Johnson-drops-Tory-leadership-race.html

Here you go again! It didn’t happen!  Nobodies life was put at risk! We’re all still here at the we? 
I have no idea what ‘little bubble’ you think I’m in, I just tend to get on with life and make the best of things, despite what politicians throw at us. You on the other hand, appear to go to pieces at the drop of a hat. 
No, I didn’t miss the sacking of the chancellor, nor the uturn of the budget, but I did miss all those people dying whose lives you claim were put at risk!  There were certainly a lot of people complaining, but I don’t know of anyone who felt their life was at risk. 🤷‍♂️
So it IS just your opinion regarding Boris lying about the number of votes, because you have no source. You don’t like the man, which is fair enough, so you made it up, which isn’t. 
Regarding the FTSE, you’ve said it yourself, it reacts to political uncertainty, which is more to do with that uncertainty, rather than Boris’ return. 
None of it effects me because I don’t let it. 
 

55 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Things only settled down when the 'Mini' budget was canned, the FTSE 250 was down 10% in the week after it.  The interest rate rises that came after it haven't gone away.  For a Govt to publish a totally unfunded budget with no OBR report that would drive up inflation when it was already at 10% and drive up the cost of it's own borrowing when it owes 2.25 trillion and counting was absolute insanity.  What on earth did they expect would happen.

If I recall, the mini budget was binned before Truss resigned, so there was no leadership race at the time, so am I right in saying it follows Boris wasn't responsible for anything at that point? 

[oowee]

1 hour ago, Mice! said:

Do these things affect us in our daily lives?

Cost of living is up, food, fuel everything,  but it always goes up, rarely down.

The mortgage rates have been too low for a long time now restricting growth and meaning people borrow beyond their true means

That's way beyond the man on the street, Germany did the same only something like double the amount or more, because of how a mini budget was worded?? And things settled within a few days, maybe because of the billions of imaginary money moved around??

Yes they do. Because the Govt borrowing rates have risen we are paying more debt. Govt has to tax more and or spend less. Waiting lists get longer and education gets worse. More crime shorter life expectancy. 

Mortgage rates rose prematurely because of poor messaging and economics from the Tories. 

[Weihrauch17]

Just now, Scully said:

Here you go again! It didn’t happen!  Nobodies life was put at risk! We’re all still here at the we? 
I have no idea what ‘little bubble’ you think I’m in, I just tend to get on with life and make the best of things, despite what politicians throw at us. You on the other hand, appear to go to pieces at the drop of a hat. 
No, I didn’t miss the sacking of the chancellor, nor the uturn of the budget, but I did miss all those people dying whose lives you claim were put at risk!  There were certainly a lot of people complaining, but I don’t know of anyone who felt their life was at risk. 🤷‍♂️
So it IS just your opinion regarding Boris lying about the number of votes, because you have no source. You don’t like the man, which is fair enough, so you made it up, which isn’t. 
Regarding the FTSE, you’ve said it yourself, it reacts to political uncertainty, which is more to do with that uncertainty, rather than Boris’ return. 
None of it effects me because I don’t let it. 
 

I didn't say people losing their lives physically, how could a budget cause that in the short term!!  You make things up to suit your narrative.  Millions of people will be effected by mortgage rates rises and if Pension funds had collapsed that could have effected millions in a huge way.  Anyone in the country is effected by the value of the pound if they buy imported goods and everyone in the country is effected by inflation.  Of course Johnson's return would have negatively impacted the markets, the man is a liability.    

[islandgun]

Whoever gets in, we can guarantee that they will live by this famous saying by Marx..... [groucho]

"Those are my principles but if you don't like them I have others"

[ditchman]

Mordaunt is out 

 

all hail King Sunak the 1st..........

keep an eye on this one........................