henry d Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 38 minutes ago, ilovemyheckler said: I am really disappointed at all the negative posts. This is a girl who was groomed online as a minor and then trafficked and sexually abused by a terrorist organisation. Perhaps she does deserve a second chance? That was well covered in the judgment and due to her statements to the press etc she is considered to be a possible threat. Link here (pdf download) Read the first 4-5 pages then skip to 18 onward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 53 minutes ago, ilovemyheckler said: I am really disappointed at all the negative posts. This is a girl who was groomed online as a minor and then trafficked and sexually abused by a terrorist organisation. Perhaps she does deserve a second chance? Loving the sarcasm!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 On 22/02/2023 at 11:09, henry d said: For those who wouldn't watch, you should have, the interviewer was very fair but didn't pull any punches and in the end she did her cause no favours at all. This. 100%. I also heard the radio series of interviews. The more you listened the more you were against her coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 hours ago, harrycatcat1 said: Are you saying that anyone from all corners of the world should be entitled to our legal aid? What has a kangaroo court got to do with anything 1- No she (Begum) was a British subject and until either she exhausts the limits of the justice system, as is the right of all citizens or accepts the decision. Therefore is allowed to use legal aid once the decision is final that's it. People who claim asylum here can't get legal representation from their home land, they are mostly fleeing war and oppressive regimes after all, so being British we provide it, because this isn't downtown Tehran. 2- If we don't use the system correctly, and the system seems to me to have been used correctly, then we just have a kangaroo court. If you are unsure of what the term means, go look it up. We have a legal system that applies to all, end of. 1 minute ago, enfieldspares said: This. 100%. I also heard the radio series of interviews. The more you listened the more you were against her coming back. Exactly, and the legal decision has me wondering how they think that they can overturn the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 henry d - you made some decent points, but this is a step too far. Quote they are mostly fleeing war and oppressive regimes after all, so being British we provide it, because this isn't downtown Tehran. If you had said "some" it would have been more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, henry d said: If we don't use the system correctly, and the system seems to me to have been used correctly, then we just have a kangaroo court. If you are unsure of what the term means, go look it up. Correct. And Government ministers are always 100% truthful? If anyone thinks we don't need, as above, a legal system used correctly then look up on Google or whatever Matrix Churchill Scott Enquiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: What you are saying is that people should be able to apply who and where the law applies to. The law is the law, it’s the same for me as it is for you and anyone else. You can’t decide to pick and choose to let it apply to only the cases you want. If people can’t see that then there’s not much point debating it. We already have a two their legal system, civil law is only available to those who can afford it and it gives those who can the ability to sway all sorts of situations to their advantage. When it comes to terrorism, I'd like to see the gloves taken off to an extent, it already happens with regard to dealing with individuals not in the county, we have assassinated individuals considered a risk to the county fairly recently, as has the USA 1 hour ago, henry d said: That was well covered in the judgment and due to her statements to the press etc she is considered to be a possible threat. Link here (pdf download) Read the first 4-5 pages then skip to 18 onward Did you never have a miss spent youth. You should really stop reading right wing conspiracy nonsense like the guardian and try to see it from poor Begums side, it's all society's fault and she's just the victim in all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, henry d said: 1- No she (Begum) was a British subject and until either she exhausts the limits of the justice system, as is the right of all citizens or accepts the decision. Therefore is allowed to use legal aid once the decision is final that's it. People who claim asylum here can't get legal representation from their home land, they are mostly fleeing war and oppressive regimes after all, so being British we provide it, because this isn't downtown Tehran. Uterly heartless comment. Begum is also fleeing persecution, she should also be allowed to come here and claim asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, henry d said: 1- No she (Begum) was a British subject Was being the operative word. 1 hour ago, henry d said: until either she exhausts the limits of the justice system, Shes had a good go , and from what I can gather, isnt finished yet, more taxpayer expense. Look at it this way , if they had saved all the money its cost us in legal bills, you could have paid her off , and she could have lived well in Dubai or somewhere 😃 1 hour ago, henry d said: because this isn't downtown Tehran. No , give it another 20 years though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 hours ago, henry d said: 1- No she (Begum) was a British subject and until either she exhausts the limits of the justice system, as is the right of all citizens or accepts the decision. Therefore is allowed to use legal aid once the decision is final that's it. People who claim asylum here can't get legal representation from their home land, they are mostly fleeing war and oppressive regimes after all, so being British we provide it, because this isn't downtown Tehran. 2- If we don't use the system correctly, and the system seems to me to have been used correctly, then we just have a kangaroo court. If you are unsure of what the term means, go look it up. Has anyone told you that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, if you can't explain yourself without being condescending don't bother in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: No , give it another 20 years though. Truest thing I have read today.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 On 07/02/2023 at 10:11, old'un said: She will be playing the heart strings, I wonder what her dress code will be? Mind you I think I already know that. Probably cost her a bomb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Rewulf said: 😃 No , give it another 20 years though. Absolutely right, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Gordon R said: If you had said "some" it would have been more accurate. No. Looking at the figures (statista) for 21/22 the top 7 asylum seeker applicants countries are, Iran, Iraq, Eritrea, Albania, Syria, Afghanistan, Sudan. Around 30 + K people, of which only Albania is not a country which is suffering from war, or oppressive regimes. So take 4.5k from this total and you have the majority fleeing war or persecution. If you can give figures for your more accurate assertion I would be obliged. 3 hours ago, harrycatcat1 said: Has anyone told you that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, if you can't explain yourself without being condescending don't bother in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, henry d said: No. Looking at the figures (statista) for 21/22 the top 7 asylum seeker applicants countries are, Iran, Iraq, Eritrea, Albania, Syria, Afghanistan, Sudan. Around 30 + K people, of which only Albania is not a country which is suffering from war, or oppressive regimes. So take 4.5k from this total and you have the majority fleeing war or persecution. If you can give figures for your more accurate assertion I would be obliged. No Nobody has come directly from any of those countries on a dingy, if they have please provide a link to a case, nobody is fleeing war in France. I'm sure you won't as there aren't any. 3 hours ago, harrycatcat1 said: Has anyone told you that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, if you can't explain yourself without being condescending don't bother in future. Henry must be one of the most condescending, patronising and deluded posters on here, but don't worry, if you give him a taste of his own medicine, he ignores you and finds someone else he thinks he can pick on. Edited February 23, 2023 by 12gauge82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, henry d said: No. Looking at the figures (statista) for 21/22 the top 7 asylum seeker applicants countries are, Iran, Iraq, Eritrea, Albania, Syria, Afghanistan, Sudan. Around 30 + K people, of which only Albania is not a country which is suffering from war, or oppressive regimes. So take 4.5k from this total and you have the majority fleeing war or persecution. If you can give figures for your more accurate assertion I would be obliged. I rest my case, you have shown your true colours 🤣🤣🤣👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, henry d said: you have the majority fleeing war or persecution. The majority are economic migrants, using the asylum system to gain entry, then using the social state for a nice easy life. Backlog of 160000 asylum claims. https://news.sky.com/story/uks-asylum-backlog-tops-160-000-for-first-time-since-current-records-began-12817733 Costing UK taxpayers billions, while those same taxpayers struggle with financial and social issues. It's simply unsustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 13 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: we have assassinated individuals considered a risk to the county This should have always been our policy, Begum should still come under this policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 17 hours ago, Rewulf said: The majority are economic migrants, using the asylum system to gain entry, then using the social state for a nice easy life. Backlog of 160000 asylum claims. https://news.sky.com/story/uks-asylum-backlog-tops-160-000-for-first-time-since-current-records-began-12817733 Costing UK taxpayers billions, while those same taxpayers struggle with financial and social issues. It's simply unsustainable. The real cost to this country is 13 years of Tory cuts. Cutting everything from border force to immigration accessors, education to health. Everything cut to the bone until it develops into a crisis. Then blame everyone and everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 39 minutes ago, oowee said: The real cost to this country is 13 years of Tory cuts. The real cost to this country is 13 years of Labour governance. They spent all the money, left the coffers empty, left the door open to uncontrolled immigration, we would barely need a border force if it were not for labours immigration policies , and their legacy. The tories have just been trying to patch the house up and paper over the cracks ever since, for the damage Blair and Brown caused. Lets get another labour government in, things will be so bad then , there will be mass immigration OUT , and the dinghies will be full of Brits heading to France claiming asylum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 52 minutes ago, Rewulf said: The real cost to this country is 13 years of Labour governance. They spent all the money, left the coffers empty, left the door open to uncontrolled immigration, we would barely need a border force if it were not for labours immigration policies , and their legacy. The tories have just been trying to patch the house up and paper over the cracks ever since, for the damage Blair and Brown caused. Lets get another labour government in, things will be so bad then , there will be mass immigration OUT , and the dinghies will be full of Brits heading to France claiming asylum 1 hour ago, oowee said: Everything cut to the bone until it develops into a crisis. Then blame everyone and everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 36 minutes ago, oowee said: Everything cut to the bone until it develops into a crisis. Then blame everyone and everything else It's almost as if you're saying it has nothing to do with the present situation 😁 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_under_New_Labour_from_1997_-_2010#:~:text=In 1997%2C Tony Blair was,country's immigration system and policies. In 1997, Tony Blair was elected following the general election that year who started to dismantle restrictions on immigration, something not outlined in party's manifesto, at the beginning of his term enacting major reforms to the country's immigration system and policies Open door immigration, for which WE are now paying the price, and which the tories are too scared to reform, no doubt worried what their mates in the EU think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rewulf said: It's almost as if you're saying it has nothing to do with the present situation 😁 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_under_New_Labour_from_1997_-_2010#:~:text=In 1997%2C Tony Blair was,country's immigration system and policies. In 1997, Tony Blair was elected following the general election that year who started to dismantle restrictions on immigration, something not outlined in party's manifesto, at the beginning of his term enacting major reforms to the country's immigration system and policies Open door immigration, for which WE are now paying the price, and which the tories are too scared to reform, no doubt worried what their mates in the EU think. Multicultural Britain he called it at the time I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Multicultural Britain he called it at the time I believe. Whether you want it or not, he should have said. He now rubs shoulders with Klaus at the WEF, the man's a disgrace, and a traitor to his country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 Your at it again 🤣 The Tories have had 13 years to do something, anything. They have done diddly squat except cut everything to the bone. There is simply no one else to blame. Watch what is happening with the NHS. Simply no action just neglect and cut. They are incapable of making the tough decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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