Silver Pigeon 1 Sporter steel shot proof

[Gerry78]

After making my mk38 trap barrel horrible with using  blueing pen on a scratch  I bought a new silver pigeon sporter 1 but can’t seem to find a Fleur steel stamp on barrel any information would be appreciated I know the Italians stamp some of there guns differently 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Did you buy it new from a gunshop?

Did you not look before you parted with your hard earned?

 

Go back to the shop, ask them and then buy something that meets your criteria.

[button]

May be wrong but I thought if its Mobil choked it won't be, do you know what choke system it has?

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, what do the specification say ??

[Bobba]

I have this model with adjustable stock. Purchased about 3 yrs ago. Not HP steel proofed. This year I decided to get to get it HP steel proofed - personal choice. Local gunsmith arranged it all. Now computer etched proof marks. £120.

[Scully]

11 hours ago, Gerry78 said:

After making my mk38 trap barrel horrible with using  blueing pen on a scratch  I bought a new silver pigeon sporter 1 but can’t seem to find a Fleur steel stamp on barrel any information would be appreciated I know the Italians stamp some of there guns differently 

Was steel shot proofing of no concern when you owned the Miroku? 
It just seems an elaborately expensive, and now regrettable, method of overcoming a scratch on a barrel. 
Did you not just consider having it re-blued professionally? 

[Gerry78]

2 hours ago, Scully said:

Was steel shot proofing of no concern when you owned the Miroku? 
It just seems an elaborately expensive, and now regrettable, method of overcoming a scratch on a barrel. 
Did you not just consider having it re-blued professionally? 

First off all the new MK38 had steel proof markings 2nd I didn’t really lose that much money on the trade in 3rd the price and time I would have to endure for re bluing It made more sense to put it towards a brand new gun I regret using the the blueing pen But the barrel looked terrible It’s a lesson learned Have ? U any information on this Post what I originally ASKED?????

6 hours ago, button said:

May be wrong but I thought if its Mobil choked it won't be, do you know what choke system it has?

Choking is optima chokes They do have markings on them regarding if you can use steel 5 in total But I can’t see any fleur marking on the barrels 

6 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Did you buy it new from a gunshop?

Did you not look before you parted with your hard earned?

 

Go back to the shop, ask them and then buy something that meets your criteria.

Yes brand new but I thought maybe wrongly that all new berettas were steel shot proofed 

[button]

25 minutes ago, Gerry78 said:

First off all the new MK38 had steel proof markings 2nd I didn’t really lose that much money on the trade in 3rd the price and time I would have to endure for re bluing It made more sense to put it towards a brand new gun I regret using the the blueing pen But the barrel looked terrible It’s a lesson learned Have ? U any information on this Post what I originally ASKED?????

Choking is optima chokes They do have markings on them regarding if you can use steel 5 in total But I can’t see any fleur marking on the barrels 

Yes brand new but I thought maybe wrongly that all new berettas were steel shot proofed 

If you're on look out for Teague optima chokes drop me a PM

[Gerry78]

13 minutes ago, button said:

If you're on look out for Teague optima chokes drop me a PM

Just found the mark on SP1 in the bottom of the action CIP S so superior steel shot proofed 

[Gerry78]

30 minutes ago, button said:

If you're on look out for Teague optima chokes drop me a PM

👍👍

[Fellside]

Thanks for that Gerry78!

Useful info - I’m actually thinking about buying one of these for clays. 

[GingerCat]

Don't think cip s is superior steel shot proof. Its just superior proof. Personally I wouldn't worry about it. 

[Gerry78]

6 minutes ago, GingerCat said:

Don't think cip s is superior steel shot proof. Its just superior proof. Personally I wouldn't worry about it. 

Yes I think it is reading up on it as well as the optima chokes that come with the gun points to superior steel prove unless I’m mistaken Which hasn’t been a first 😃

28 minutes ago, Fellside said:

Thanks for that Gerry78!

Useful info - I’m actually thinking about buying one of these for clays. 

No worries mate hoping Sunday be taking it out for Clays 👍

[RCB56]

If the gun does  NOT have the Fluer de Lys proof Mark's (not CIP S) you are not supposed to put High Performance Steel shot through it, as the cartridges run at higher pressures.

[London Best]

CIP superior is the old magnum proof. 
This is not “High Performance Steel Proof”. 
But the gun is still considered suitable for standard steel cartridges, just like all other nitro proof guns.

[Gerry78]

47 minutes ago, RCB56 said:

If the gun does  NOT have the Fluer de Lys proof Mark's (not CIP S) you are not supposed to put High Performance Steel shot through it, as the cartridges run at higher pressures.

 

8 minutes ago, London Best said:

CIP superior is the old magnum proof. 
This is not “High Performance Steel Proof”. 
But the gun is still considered suitable for standard steel cartridges, just like all other nitro proof guns.

If you read my post. CIP-S  I stated superior steel shot proof Not High performance steel shot proof You are correct Sir standard steel is Fine 👍

[London Best]

Gerry, I don’t believe the word “steel” comes into it. 
The proof is “superior proof”, that is, magnum proof, not steel proof. 
It’s all kidology anyway, I’m quite happy to put standard steel 2 1/2 inch cartridges through my 1930 Best London side lock.

[Gerry78]

51 minutes ago, London Best said:

Gerry, I don’t believe the word “steel” comes into it. 
The proof is “superior proof”, that is, magnum proof, not steel proof. 
It’s all kidology anyway, I’m quite happy to put standard steel 2 1/2 inch cartridges through my 1930 Best London side lock.

LB totally agree just my OCD 😃but standard steel thru new SP1 no problem with the optima Hp chokes thanks for the imput still have my Aya no3 magnum if want use the big boys 👍👍

[Scully]

3 hours ago, Gerry78 said:

First off all the new MK38 had steel proof markings 2nd I didn’t really lose that much money on the trade in 3rd the price and time I would have to endure for re bluing It made more sense to put it towards a brand new gun I regret using the the blueing pen But the barrel looked terrible It’s a lesson learned Have ? U any information on this Post what I originally ASKED?????

 

Well to be honest, in my opinion you’ve sold a much more desirable MK38 steel shot proofed gun for a much less desirable non-steel shot proofed gun for the sake of just having the former re-blued. I just didn’t get it, that was all. 🤷‍♂️
As regards your OP, if your only intention is to use standard steel, then you can shoot standard steel through ANY choke in a standard nitro proofed shotgun, so a S or fleur delys is irrelevant.

It is clear however, by subsequent posts, that you ARE concerned with steel shot proofing, which your Beretta doesn’t have, so I’m puzzled again as to why you would buy it? I just find your entire post baffling. 
I should add that Teague ( possibly for insurance purposes ) recommend nothing tighter than 1/2 for standard steel in nitro proofed guns, and 1/4 for HP steel, even in those guns proofed for HP steel. 
 

[Gerry78]

5 minutes ago, Scully said:

Well to be honest, in my opinion you’ve sold a much more desirable MK38 steel shot proofed gun for a much less desirable non-steel shot proofed gun for the sake of just having the former re-blued. I just didn’t get it, that was all. 🤷‍♂️
As regards your OP, if your only intention is to use standard steel, then you can shoot standard steel through ANY choke in a standard nitro proofed shotgun, so a S or fleur delys is irrelevant.

It is clear however, by subsequent posts, that you ARE concerned with steel shot proofing, which your Beretta doesn’t have, so I’m puzzled again as to why you would buy it? I just find your entire post baffling. 
I should add that Teague ( possibly for insurance purposes ) recommend nothing tighter than 1/2 for standard steel in nitro proofed guns, and 1/4 for HP steel, even in those guns proofed for HP steel. 
 

My original post regarding the SP1 was that I didn’t see any fleur mark on the new gun i know the Italians use different proof markings  ?Nothing to be puzzled bye the mk38 barrel was damaged by that pen Yes could have payed to get it blued but As I’ve mentioned the money it was costing better to buy a new gun I also never stated that I’d be using theMK38 trap 1  for steel shot so don’t really understand your desirability remark The reason I bought the beretta was I liked the gun felt lovely in my hand with optima HP chokes great packageNo need to tell me what chokes to use for standard steel or HP AS I’ve been shooting wildfowl for years thru guns nearly 50 years old So il make my point Again the original post was Fleur mark on Beretta barrels That’s all 👍

[button]

27 minutes ago, Gerry78 said:

My original post regarding the SP1 was that I didn’t see any fleur mark on the new gun i know the Italians use different proof markings  ?Nothing to be puzzled bye the mk38 barrel was damaged by that pen Yes could have payed to get it blued but As I’ve mentioned the money it was costing better to buy a new gun I also never stated that I’d be using theMK38 trap 1  for steel shot so don’t really understand your desirability remark The reason I bought the beretta was I liked the gun felt lovely in my hand with optima HP chokes great packageNo need to tell me what chokes to use for standard steel or HP AS I’ve been shooting wildfowl for years thru guns nearly 50 years old So il make my point Again the original post was Fleur mark on Beretta barrels That’s all 👍

Is it Optima or Optima HP? They are totally different 

[Gerry78]

Optima HP 

[Scully]

34 minutes ago, Gerry78 said:

My original post regarding the SP1 was that I didn’t see any fleur mark on the new gun i know the Italians use different proof markings  ?Nothing to be puzzled bye the mk38 barrel was damaged by that pen Yes could have payed to get it blued but As I’ve mentioned the money it was costing better to buy a new gun I also never stated that I’d be using theMK38 trap 1  for steel shot so don’t really understand your desirability remark The reason I bought the beretta was I liked the gun felt lovely in my hand with optima HP chokes great packageNo need to tell me what chokes to use for standard steel or HP AS I’ve been shooting wildfowl for years thru guns nearly 50 years old So il make my point Again the original post was Fleur mark on Beretta barrels That’s all 👍

Fair enough. It just seemed an odd and complicated way to resolve a minor issue.
The Mk38 Miroku in any configuration is a much more desirable gun than a SP1, even though you can put steel through either. 

If you’ve been shooting wildfowl for years through nearly 50 year old guns, then bought a new SP1 gun without checking for what it was proofed, then your question regarding HP markings is even more confusing. 
Nevermind. Each to their own. 👍

[Gerry78]

17 minutes ago, Scully said:

Fair enough. It just seemed an odd and complicated way to resolve a minor issue.
The Mk38 Miroku in any configuration is a much more desirable gun than a SP1, even though you can put steel through either. 

If you’ve been shooting wildfowl for years through nearly 50 year old guns, then bought a new SP1 gun without checking for what it was proofed, then your question regarding HP markings is even more confusing. 
Nevermind. Each to their own. 👍

The reason I didn’t check SP1 I was off the opinion that new o/u are all HP steel shot proofed but obviously not that’s why i posted when i couldn’t see the Fleur mark but as you said not a big deal it will shoot standard steel which if I’m after ducks I only use Agree I liked the mk38 but I in my head ruined the gun but each to there Own 

[HantsRob]

21 hours ago, Gerry78 said:

in my head ruined the gun but each to there Own 

I've had the same mental head game with cars that have needed to be fixed after a minor crash. It doesn't matter how much it's fixed, in your head it is still damaged. 
If you like the new gun and are happy to shoot normal steel through it with a sensible and appropriate choke, then I hope you love the new gun!