ditchman Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 looks as if prigozhin is backing down ...as a result of Belarus intervention..........this is all very messy.........whatever happens putin is going to come out of this with most of his street cred stuffed...and will proberly end up as a puppet...having his strings pulled by several different throne pretenders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 Be careful for what you wish for springs to mind on this one. Destabilisation of Russia really isn’t in anyone’s best interest I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Jaymo said: Be careful for what you wish for springs to mind on this one. Destabilisation of Russia really isn’t in anyone’s best interest I feel. History repeats itself.....its a russia "thang"....russia is surrounded by viscous baying dogs....just waiting...... could we see russia split up into several different countries ?????? lots of senarios on the table ...it would be a brave man/woman who is prepared to go on record to predict what will play out.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Weird one eh? He needs to stay away from tea and windows. . Edited June 24, 2023 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Mungler said: Weird one eh? He needs to stay away form tea and windows. i rekon we will see within the next 24 hrs (or maybe sooner)......someone will end up "deep sixed" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 The good news. My dachas still on 🤣 Or should not one count their dachas till they're built? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 42 minutes ago, ditchman said: looks as if prigozhin is backing down ...as a result of Belarus intervention..........this is all very messy.........whatever happens putin is going to come out of this with most of his street cred stuffed...and will proberly end up as a puppet...having his strings pulled by several different throne pretenders A deal was done... One of them will be dead soon. Which one is the most ruthless villain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 26 minutes ago, oowee said: A deal was done... One of them will be dead soon. Which one is the most ruthless villain? Putin is a pussycat compared to Prigozhin....Prig' is a evil ...butchering,,,,devious....brutal...streetwise thug.........but putin still holds cards....putin is not as clever as people think....he is very much black and white and uses people as tools... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 I’d love to know what the deal was and for Prigo to stop and accept what must be certain death, if not now in the months to come; tea anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) All part of the ongoing cluster**** Putin has unleashed, I don't think i would be trusting either side in any deal. I think Putin will be changing his priorities form Ukraine to his survival in russia. Edited June 24, 2023 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Mungler said: I’d love to know what the deal was and for Prigo to stop and accept what must be certain death, if not now in the months to come; tea anyone? beetroot soup please deary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Mungler said: I’d love to know what the deal was and for Prigo to stop and accept what must be certain death, if not now in the months to come; tea anyone? He’s moving to Belarus along with his troops and apparent guarantees for their safety … not sure how much that guarantees worth mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: He’s moving to Belarus along with his troops and apparent guarantees for their safety … not sure how much that guarantees worth mind! has he agreed to open a 2nd front from the north onto Ukraine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 On 23/06/2023 at 15:45, Mungler said: Stuff just got really really weird and serious. A mercenary group goes rouge two days after an accounting error at the Pentagon sends an extra 6.2 billion to the Ukraine. Weird indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owain Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 He’s come a long way since X factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: A mercenary group goes rouge two days after an accounting error at the Pentagon sends an extra 6.2 billion to the Ukraine. Weird indeed 🥱In what way weird 🤔 Edited June 25, 2023 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) well im dissapointed.................turned out to be a load of old wimin ..."handbags at dawn" i would make a carp political reporter....everything wrong as usual Edited June 25, 2023 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 Prigo is nobody to be underestimated He is more hardline than the officials he is criticising and will escalate the war massively if he gets his way. Moving to open a new front in Belarus a week after Putin moved nuclear weapons to Belarus last week sounds like very bad news to me. It was Prigo that orchestrated the sabotaging of the 2016 US Elections He is no here today gone tomorrow bit player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: Prigo is nobody to be underestimated He is more hardline than the officials he is criticising and will escalate the war massively if he gets his way. Moving to open a new front in Belarus a week after Putin moved nuclear weapons to Belarus last week sounds like very bad news to me. It was Prigo that orchestrated the sabotaging of the 2016 US Elections He is no here today gone tomorrow bit player Moving Nuclear weapons to Belarus is just more Putin Russian BS, it makes no difference if they are in Russia or Belarus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) I still think something is not right here. Why would Lukashenko, who owes everything to Putin. Offer to host Prigo. Putin saved Lukashenko's bacon a few years ago and is his number 1 backer in keeping him elected. Plus Lukashenko recieves a lot of military aid from Putin. Why bite the hand that feeds you. Edited June 25, 2023 by Rem260 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 Its a interesting situation. 1) Prigozhin is in Belarus and the president (Aleksandr Lukashenko) there is supposedly close to Putin Aleksandr Lukashenko must be wondering if backing Putin is still a good plan - as things seem to be going a bit sideways and he wants to be on the winning side whatever happens whilst being conscious that Prigozhin could cause him trouble too. 2) Prigozhin - would have every right to be concerned that Putin can't afford to have him alive so the two of them are likely on a collision path whatever happens 3) It seems a possibility that Wagner, possibly led by Prigozhin will attempt to break the Russian military from within, not exactly mutiny but more of terrorist effort aimed at infrastructure but avoiding spilling Russian blood. 4) In the meanwhile the Russian army are trying to stop the Ukraine army from advancing but anyone with half a brain in the Russian army will be wondering if their own leadership is still committed. The next few weeks will be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 Maybe ........ (as others have suggested above) Putin requested his friend Lukashenko to take in Prigozhin (and his Wagner men) to open a second front from Belarus? Putin (nominally) holds controi over the tactical nuclear deployment in Belarus. IF the new 2nd front goes badly, Putin can handover the nuclear button for Belarus stationed missiles to Lukashenko. hence (if and) when a tactical nuclear is used, Lukashenko is seen as responsible. Bleme goes to Lukashenko and Prigozhin. This is important as Putin letting off nuclear seems to be a big NO to China's Xi and probably India and S Africa. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 right ...get this round yer chops............... noww.................if Lukashenko is as ill as some media purport.......his days are numbered.....so why not install Prigozhin as a back-up in the wings.....then when Luka' croaks.......our mate Prigo' can step seemlessly in come on face it....its just weird enough to be true.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said: Maybe ........ (as others have suggested above) Putin requested his friend Lukashenko to take in Prigozhin (and his Wagner men) to open a second front from Belarus? Putin (nominally) holds controi over the tactical nuclear deployment in Belarus. IF the new 2nd front goes badly, Putin can handover the nuclear button for Belarus stationed missiles to Lukashenko. hence (if and) when a tactical nuclear is used, Lukashenko is seen as responsible. Bleme goes to Lukashenko and Prigozhin. This is important as Putin letting off nuclear seems to be a big NO to China's Xi and probably India and S Africa. Just a thought. Do you think China, India and South Africa, are dumb enough to buy it if that happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, ordnance said: Do you think China, India and South Africa, are dumb enough to buy it if that happened. Only if they are looking for reasons to do so. But if they want the oil, they might take that route. It's politics, not truths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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