Mr Bates v The Post Office

[chrisjpainter]

2 minutes ago, JKD said:

Definitely this /\ /\ /\

How the issues weren't even thought about or discussed by those who 'knew' is a mystery 🤔

Because there was a convenient scapegoat. In any normal business, the service user would be complaining, because the company as a whole would be suffering. But because the Post Office contract stated losses had to be made up by the sub-postmasters themselves not the company, there was no need for any kind of accountability. The Post Office could blame the little people and not trouble themselves with asking questions. It suited the two big parties very well and no one worried about the little party...until it pulled the whole rotten house down!

[JKD]

4 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said:

Because there was a convenient scapegoat. In any normal business, the service user would be complaining, because the company as a whole would be suffering. But because the Post Office contract stated losses had to be made up by the sub-postmasters themselves not the company, there was no need for any kind of accountability. The Post Office could blame the little people and not trouble themselves with asking questions. It suited the two big parties very well and no one worried about the little party...until it pulled the whole rotten house down!

👍 I really do hope that some employees of the two big parties get their cummupence !!! At the end of the day, the buck stops with the management, but it's still taken over 20 years to fully hit the headlines 😕

[Bigbob]

8 hours ago, old man said:

TBH, I can't differentiate between any of them, parasites?

Got to agree Blair followed his American master and took us to war  , A i will always remember Brown at the gates of Rosyth dockyard , It will never close total lies closed in less than a year 

[old man]

13 hours ago, Bigbob said:

Got to agree Blair followed his American master and took us to war  , A i will always remember Brown at the gates of Rosyth dockyard , It will never close total lies closed in less than a year 

The definition of a parasite? To feast well enough to thrive, weaken but not kill the host?

Sums them up a  treat?

[armsid]

Be interesting when the Met and CPS get on with investigating those that lied perverted the course of justice and get the justice that the postmasters/mistresses deserve Interesting times ahead

[Newbie to this]

9 minutes ago, armsid said:

Be interesting when the Met and CPS get on with investigating those that lied perverted the course of justice and get the justice that the postmasters/mistresses deserve Interesting times ahead

The MET are too busy wasting their time and tax payer's money, investing Israel.

[old man]

21 hours ago, armsid said:

Be interesting when the Met and CPS get on with investigating those that lied perverted the course of justice and get the justice that the postmasters/mistresses deserve Interesting times ahead

Not going to happen, lost evidence etc?

[old man]

Slipping further away from public consciousness daily, all by design of course?

[Gordon R]

I sincerely hope we don't go down the road of the SNP - texts, emails etc disappearing.

Ed Davey has said everyone at the Post Office lied to him. There must be a record - minutes of meetings, who lied, what was said etc.

[old man]

56 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

I sincerely hope we don't go down the road of the SNP - texts, emails etc disappearing.

Ed Davey has said everyone at the Post Office lied to him. There must be a record - minutes of meetings, who lied, what was said etc.

Time will tell Gordon?

[JKD]

11 hours ago, old man said:

Slipping further away from public consciousness daily, all by design of course?

Obviously things are progressing and being investigated, but only new info will be put out on MSM,,,,, as it is this morning 👍

This isn't going away !

Edited January 26, 2024 by JKD

[TIGHTCHOKE]

And now the story breaks that the independent forensic technical firm was sacked in 2013 when they found the bugs and that the Government as well as the Post Office hierarchy knew it was going on.

[JohnfromUK]

28 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

And now the story breaks that the independent forensic technical firm was sacked in 2013 when they found the bugs and that the Government as well as the Post Office hierarchy knew it was going on.

The responsible ministers were;

• 2010-2012  -  Ed Davey
• 2012-2012. -  Norman Lamb
• 2012-2013. -  Jo Swinson
• 2013-2014. -  Jenny Willott
• 2014-2015. -  Jo Swinson

Source https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/parliamentary-under-secretary-of-state-for-employment-relations-and-consumer-affairs#past-role-holders

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Indeed.

Sir Ed Davey has apparently stated that "Nobody told him" 

[Rim Fire]

If all these ministers knew about it and lied they should go to prison like the post masters did and they was innocent 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Just now, Rim Fire said:

If all these ministers knew about it and lied they should go to prison like the post masters did and they was innocent 

Yes, yes and yes.

Don't hold your breath though.....................

[Agriv8]

So reading into that this is not smoke room gossip or whistle blowers emails.

this is in minutes and papers presented to board members. So directors, managers must have signed off the papers?

This therefore points that board members are complicit in the whole saga ?

Agriv8

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Just now, Agriv8 said:

So reading into that this is not smoke room gossip or whistle blowers emails.

this is in minutes and papers presented to board members. So directors, managers must have signed off the papers?

This therefore points that board members are complicit in the whole saga ?

The Long Long List is getting LONGER...................

[Newbie to this]

I wonder if charges of cooperate manslaughter could be brought, for those who took their own lives because of this travesty.

I fear justice will never be seen.

Edited January 26, 2024 by Newbie to this

[Bigbob]

3 hours ago, Rim Fire said:

If all these ministers knew about it and lied they should go to prison like the post masters did and they was innocent 

Thats what should happen but it will be the old one law for us another for them 

[Bigbob]

Saw a bit of politics live yesterday all the MPs questioning the prime minister , I think there just seeking the publicity the time to ask questions was when it happened 

[Rim Fire]

1 hour ago, Bigbob said:

Thats what should happen but it will be the old one law for us another for them 

i think you are right as TC said don't hold your breath 

[Gordon R]

Corporate manslaughter charges would be impossible to prosecute successfully, but are appropriate.

The number of people who knew about the problems runs into hundreds, if not thousands and could well hinder any prosecution.

Had it been down to one or two, lower ranked employees, I'm sure some sacrificial lambs could have been found.

[Agriv8]

There is a paper trail that a lot of people will be wanting to distance themselves from. Those in management and directors need to feel the eyes and ears of a court room as the post masters did !

 

[JKD]

5 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

 

Don't hold your breath though.....................

This is a common comment throughout this thread, unfortunately !!!

This 'saga' is going to take a long time to come to its fruition,,,, another quite common comment..... 😕