Are the Police safe to have guns?

[Rim Fire]

10 hours ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

i doubt a taser would have put it down to be able to have been shot.

Why not it can put down a full grown man and disable him surely they could have disabled the dog so the idiot on the gun could get closer to shoot it 

and to be honest if any of us had discharged a high velocity weapon with such a poor back stop we would have our guns taken away as not being safe 

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, Why oh Why do people want to have this breed of dog, 🤔, There are rules for keeping them safe and under control but it still happens 🤔, But saying this even family dogs can hurt people

[countryman]

Feel sorry for the Dog, probably owned by a miss fit and shot by someone who should never have access to gun.

[12gauge82]

7 minutes ago, countryman said:

Feel sorry for the Dog, probably owned by a miss fit and shot by someone who should never have access to gun.

Spot on.

[12gauge82]

21 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, Why oh Why do people want to have this breed of dog, 🤔, There are rules for keeping them safe and under control but it still happens 🤔, But saying this even family dogs can hurt people

Got to be honest, I hate this type of comment. 

While obviously different, the similarities between that argument and the ones antis use on gun ownership is almost identical. Why would anyone need (insert type of gun here) why not ban them, and just like dog ownership, it's not the type, size or look of the gun that kills innocent people, it's criminals who don't care about the law or their fellow human beings.

Ban XL Bullies and the criminals and idiots will either acquire one illegally, or cause injury or death to someone with a different type of dog.

Ban (insert any type of gun here) and the criminals and idiots will either acquire one illegally or cause injury or death to someone with a different type of gun.

[oldypigeonpopper]

10 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Got to be honest, I hate this type of comment. 

While obviously different, the similarities between that argument and the ones antis use on gun ownership is almost identical. Why would anyone need (insert type of gun here) why not ban them, and just like dog ownership, it's not the type, size or look of the gun that kills innocent people, it's criminals who don't care about the law or their fellow human beings.

Ban XL Bullies and the criminals and idiots will either acquire one illegally, or cause injury or death to someone with a different type of dog.

Ban (insert any type of gun here) and the criminals and idiots will either acquire one illegally or cause injury or death to someone with a different type of gun.

Hello, Well we all have opinions but if the owner of this dog had followed the rules and kept it under strict control a person would not be hurt and dog shot

[Westley]

58 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

Why not it can put down a full grown man and disable him surely they could have disabled the dog so the idiot on the gun could get closer to shoot it 

and to be honest if any of us had discharged a high velocity weapon with such a poor back stop we would have our guns taken away as not being safe 

Firstly, a taser does NOT always put down a "full grown man" especially if they are as high as a kite.

With regards to a poor backstop, it reminds me of a shoot I was on some 4 years ago. A wounded duck landed back on a pond. Several beaters with dogs went to retrieve the bird. At this point one of the guns comes up and gives it both barrels on the water, he also accounted for injuring 4 beaters and 2 dogs  !

6 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, Well we all have opinions but if the owner of this dog had followed the rules and kept it under strict control a person would not be hurt and dog shot

Yes, he would have been better off shooting the owner  !   🙄

[12gauge82]

20 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, Well we all have opinions but if the owner of this dog had followed the rules and kept it under strict control a person would not be hurt and dog shot

Agreed, but I think that's proving my point, it's not the type of dog that is the issue, but the owners.

9 minutes ago, Westley said:

Firstly, a taser does NOT always put down a "full grown man" especially if they are as high as a kite.

With regards to a poor backstop, it reminds me of a shoot I was on some 4 years ago. A wounded duck landed back on a pond. Several beaters with dogs went to retrieve the bird. At this point one of the guns comes up and gives it both barrels on the water, he also accounted for injuring 4 beaters and 2 dogs  !

Yes, he would have been better off shooting the owner  !   🙄

Incorrect on taser.

Taser will always put someone down when it makes a proper connection, drugs or not. Making a proper connection is the issue and ofter fails for many different reasons.

[Westley]

14 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

 

Taser will always put someone down when it makes a proper connection, drugs or not. Making a proper connection is the issue and ofter fails for many different reasons.

Especially on a running dog  ??

Edited June 30, 2024 by Westley

[old'un]

11 minutes ago, Westley said:

Especially on a running dog  ??

is it not better to miss with a taser than several shots from a high powered rifle?

[dainty duck]

in this case the best weapon would have been a shotgun with bb or smaller shot, followed up with second shot to the head ! IMHO

[oldypigeonpopper]

32 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Agreed, but I think that's proving my point, it's not the type of dog that is the issue, but the owners.

Incorrect on taser.

Taser will always put someone down when it makes a proper connection, drugs or not. Making a proper connection is the issue and ofter fails for many different reasons.

Hello, I agree , Unfortunately it will happen again if the Owner looses control of this type of dog, where as it is very very seldom that a Pet home dog behaves this way

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Westley said:

Especially on a running dog  ??

I didnt claim it likely to work, although like people it would if you made a connection, which would be tricky and probably be more luck than judgement I would think.

50 minutes ago, old'un said:

is it not better to miss with a taser than several shots from a high powered rifle?

Absolutely, I did notice one of them had a taster out, perhaps the officer felt the dog was too far away to try.

43 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, I agree , Unfortunately it will happen again if the Owner looses control of this type of dog, where as it is very very seldom that a Pet home dog behaves this way

Again agreed. 

I have absolutely no ambition of owning an XL bully, even if it were legal. I do know I could handle one perfectly safely if I had wanted to.

[JKD]

6 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I didnt claim it likely to work, although like people it would if you made a connection, which would be tricky and probably be more luck than judgement I would think.

Absolutely, I did notice one of them had a taster out, perhaps the officer felt the dog was too far away to try.

If you think about it, there are a lot of bony areas on a dog, which would prevent both of the spikes from piercing the 'target', which is necessary to create the circuit needed ? Also, a moving target, such as this dog, would be very hard to 'hit' with both taser spikes would it not ?

57 minutes ago, dainty duck said:

in this case the best weapon would have been a shotgun with bb or smaller shot, followed up with second shot to the head ! IMHO

And,,,, I do hope you are joking ?! 🙄

[dainty duck]

1 hour ago, JKD said:

If you think about it, there are a lot of bony areas on a dog, which would prevent both of the spikes from piercing the 'target', which is necessary to create the circuit needed ? Also, a moving target, such as this dog, would be very hard to 'hit' with both taser spikes would it not ?

And,,,, I do hope you are joking ?! 🙄

 

1 hour ago, JKD said:

If you think about it, there are a lot of bony areas on a dog, which would prevent both of the spikes from piercing the 'target', which is necessary to create the circuit needed ? Also, a moving target, such as this dog, would be very hard to 'hit' with both taser spikes would it not ?

And,,,, I do hope you are joking ?! 🙄

No I am not ! there would less chance of a  ricochet than using a riffle , have you ever had to deal with a dog attacking sheep around farm buildings ? its safest  and fastest way to get the job done and I'm talking from experience , those two clowns in the video looked like the y where from a old Keystone Cops movie .

[Genghis]

4 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

Got to be honest, I hate this type of comment. 

While obviously different, the similarities between that argument and the ones antis use on gun ownership is almost identical. Why would anyone need (insert type of gun here) why not ban them, and just like dog ownership, it's not the type, size or look of the gun that kills innocent people, it's criminals who don't care about the law or their fellow human beings.

Ban XL Bullies and the criminals and idiots will either acquire one illegally, or cause injury or death to someone with a different type of dog.

Ban (insert any type of gun here) and the criminals and idiots will either acquire one illegally or cause injury or death to someone with a different type of gun.

Agree with this.

 

It surprises me how many firearms owners call for bans on things they don’t like - breeds of dogs, electric scooters, disposable bbq’s, etc. without appreciating how that same knee-jerk reaction is often used against us.

[Rem260]

17 hours ago, Rim Fire said:

Why couldn't  they tazer it then shoot it with a fatal shot by chasing it all they done was spook it more 

Having watched the video doesn't a officer at the start of the video fire a tazer at it first?

2 hours ago, dainty duck said:

in this case the best weapon would have been a shotgun with bb or smaller shot, followed up with second shot to the head ! IMHO

I know people on her are indicating it was a cf rifle. But to me it sounds like low powered SG rounds from a shotgun. I can't quite make it out but to me and my limited knowledge it looks like a Benelli.

[JKD]

1 hour ago, dainty duck said:

 

No I am not ! there would less chance of a  ricochet than using a riffle , have you ever had to deal with a dog attacking sheep around farm buildings ? its safest  and fastest way to get the job done and I'm talking from experience , those two clowns in the video looked like the y where from a old Keystone Cops movie .

Doesn't negate the chances of ricochets though 🤔 Anyway, there shouldn't have been any sort of 'firearm' discharge in these circumstances ! And yes, I agree with the last part of your reply 🤦‍♂️ What were they thinking ?!

Edited June 30, 2024 by JKD

[Westley]

1 hour ago, Rem260 said:

Having watched the video doesn't a officer at the start of the video fire a tazer at it first?

I know people on her are indicating it was a cf rifle. But to me it sounds like low powered SG rounds from a shotgun. I can't quite make it out but to me and my limited knowledge it looks like a Benelli.

I do not know what weapons the Police use today, although I can state it used to be .38 Smith & Wesson revolver in 2" and 4" format and either Remington or Winchester pump action 12 bore shotguns with true cylinder barrel, coupled with solid ball ammunition. Plus, we had to go back to a Police Station to collect it. The dog could have died of old age by then  🙄

I would never have considered using a firearm in those circumstances and it used to be that 'nobody could order you to pull the trigger'  it was SOLELY your own decision, which you had to stand by when the fertiliser hit the fan.

[old man]

4 hours ago, dainty duck said:

in this case the best weapon would have been a shotgun with bb or smaller shot, followed up with second shot to the head ! IMHO

Shotgun exactly my first thought?

[12gauge82]

5 hours ago, JKD said:

If you think about it, there are a lot of bony areas on a dog, which would prevent both of the spikes from piercing the 'target', which is necessary to create the circuit needed ? Also, a moving target, such as this dog, would be very hard to 'hit' with both taser spikes would it not ?

And,,,, I do hope you are joking ?! 🙄

Totally agree, I would imagine a dog would be very difficult to taser effectively.

3 hours ago, Genghis said:

Agree with this.

 

It surprises me how many firearms owners call for bans on things they don’t like - breeds of dogs, electric scooters, disposable bbq’s, etc. without appreciating how that same knee-jerk reaction is often used against us.

Exactly how I see it 👍

[Yellow Bear]

3 hours ago, Genghis said:

It surprises me how many firearms owners call for bans on things they don’t like - breeds of dogs, electric scooters, disposable bbq’s, etc. without appreciating how that same knee-jerk reaction is often used against us.

Then perhaps we should just be calling for them to be licenced as stringently as firearms?

[JKD]

10 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Totally agree, I would imagine a dog would be very difficult to taser effectively.

Exactly how I see it 👍

Perhaps all they needed to do was stand still and the dog probably would have stood still, then command a "sit" order to the dog,,,, then deploy the taser ? 🤷‍♂️ Tongue in cheek obviously.

They actually appeared to be totally blinkered and chasing the dog in an attempt to stop further harm to members of the public ?

[Dougy]

17 minutes ago, JKD said:

Perhaps all they needed to do was stand still and the dog probably would have stood still, then command a "sit" order to the dog,,,, then deploy the taser ? 🤷‍♂️ Tongue in cheek obviously.

They actually appeared to be totally blinkered and chasing the dog in an attempt to stop further harm to members of the public ?

Looking at the body language of the dog being chased round the car, it had all the signs of playing.  

[JKD]

1 minute ago, Dougy said:

Looking at the body language of the dog being chased round the car, it had all the signs of playing.  

Yes, and being submissive [tail between its legs] . Basically it looked frightened, despite what might have happened moments before !

Once again,  an enquiry will expose the full story, and hopefully put those two FAO's out to pasture !