johnphilip Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 25 minutes ago, Mungler said: The fiscal benefits of mass immigration have long been debunked; in total, more is taken out over a lifetime than put back in. It’s all part of the mass brain washing - no one voted for net immigration of 1,000,000 a year and yet here we are force fed the ‘benefits’ of cultural enrichment, told how everyone is an asylum seeker (not an economic migrant) and how the economy ‘needs’ the man power (which is nonsense as GDP per capita plummets). It’s an absolute mess and the cunning trick of the left (bearing in mind the left control education and media) was to call anyone questioning any aspect of mass immigration as racist thereby stifling any discussion or debate. Want to stop mass immigration? Turn off all the benefits. It’s the benefits that skew the natural economic order of global economic migration. It’s all very odd though in hindsight. Isn’t the primary obligation of any country’s government to its population? If the population truly knew back in the late 1990’s what lay ahead… and soon, those who can remember what life was like pre 1997 will pass on and no one will know or understand what has been lost. An amazing trick to pull by the politicians and bizarrely across all parties. But I then I really wonder about motivation - who has benefited? Was cheap unskilled labour that important in the scheme of economic growth? Were the routes to sorting out the white non working underclass that hard? Couldn’t law abiding working / middle classes be encouraged to have more children? Hindsight gives us some answers but not all. At least the issues are coming out into the open. That said, I won’t hold my breath that Labour will tackle any aspect of immigration and integration and so the next 5 years (along with the country being bankrupt) is going to be a bumpy ride. Everyone should of course read / listen to all of Douglas Murray’s books - quite prophetic given when they were written. And yet Alastair Campbell want the police to arrest Douglas Murray .Mr Murray who has foretold all this that's happening now. Why Blair and Cambell never got jail time. Is beyond me . https://youtu.be/YFXYTd9uTpw?si=hwBPGMcKY9ZHnGlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 49 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I think in many societies, the young look after their own old. The problem in the west is with the cost of living, housing and time pressures of modern working, with both partners going to work, it makes that very difficult to do. When I lived for awhile in America I came to realise why so many people belonged to churches. The church was where the care and support came from if you should come to need it Not the State In Spain everything comes from the Catholic Church but you have to be a member and have contributed to be eligible. But things like the cost of housing is being driven by a surplus of people not a shortage of houses. Chicken and egg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 58 minutes ago, Vince Green said: When I lived for awhile in America I came to realise why so many people belonged to churches. The church was where the care and support came from if you should come to need it I bet that it’s the small, local churches that support the local population. When you see televangelists in their own jets, the charitable work being undertaken shrinks, as the head Pastor’s lifestyle improves. There was something similar in Essex. The Peniel Church in Essex had an issue when the philandering head god-man (playing away with a host of female congregants) did a moonlight flit when his extra-curriculars came to light. The church levied a substantial tithe of congregants’ earnings to fund the church running costs and land purchases. It came to pass that the title to the land purchased was in the Pastor’s name, not the church… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 1 hour ago, Mungler said: I won’t hold my breath that Labour will tackle any aspect of immigration and integration and so the next 5 years (along with the country being bankrupt) is going to be a bumpy ride. Labour needs them because they know the migrants are always going to vote for the party of handouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 6 hours ago, janner said: The mess this country is in was/is not caused by the poor souls at the bottom of the pile, They are just the easiest to blame. No, just by the soft lilly liberal woke wastes of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: I think in many societies, the young look after their own old. The problem in the west is with the cost of living, housing and time pressures of modern working, with both partners going to work, it makes that very difficult to do. Especially in the 'Got to have it now society' we live in. Get it now and worry about paying for it afterwards ? My Grandkids are classic examples. Can't afford unpaid traffic fines, got to have that tattoo. Can't afford to get the car serviced, I have just paid for 2 weeks abroad ? There are no more pressures to modern working now, than we experienced 60 years ago, they are just dealt with differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 7 minutes ago, Westley said: Especially in the 'Got to have it now society' we live in. Get it now and worry about paying for it afterwards ? My Grandkids are classic examples. Can't afford unpaid traffic fines, got to have that tattoo. Can't afford to get the car serviced, I have just paid for 2 weeks abroad ? There are no more pressures to modern working now, than we experienced 60 years ago, they are just dealt with differently. Very much this. happy to pay for latest model phone, subscription music and video/film services etc, nights out regularly with taxis etc, but can't afford heating bill, car service/repairs, new tyres, comprehensive insurance (or in many cases any insurance!) Really - one word sums it up - irresponsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 41 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Labour needs them because they know the migrants are always going to vote for the party of handouts. But isn’t it weird that we all saw that happening and coming over the horizon, the Conservatives opened the door even wider and for over a decade. I know the last 10 years of the Conservative party has been anything but ‘conservative’ but it’s something I find unfathomable because their continued approach to immigration gave rise to Brexit, the Reform party and to the ultimate destruction of the conservative party. We can see where Blair started in 1997. Most theories are that first generation immigration was met with a thankfulness and that the problems come with the second generation - with no integration and an overall loss of identity the vacuum is filled with religious common ground. If you don’t consider yourself British in your upbringing or views but at the same time you’ve never been to Pakistan and can’t speak that language (for example) then the identity vacuum is filled with religious commonality. The UK based terror attacks are by body count down to something like 95% second generation British born. Follow the graph and the exponential increase under the conservatives and follow the trend and things are likely to get rather difficult in the run upto 2040. Hindsight shows us, and we can now see, what two tier treatment and allowed ‘community isolation’ and ghettoisation of areas / enclaves of the country has resulted in, yet we keep going with more of the same. And that all leads back to the fact that no one has dared or been allowed go near a discussion about any of this. And here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 1 hour ago, Flashman said: I bet that it’s the small, local churches that support the local population. Oh yes very much so but they provide a social hub as well. Mother and baby group, scouts, kids baseball and community events of every kind as well as caring for the sick and the elderly And over there there is nothing except the church that provides this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: Very much this. happy to pay for latest model phone, subscription music and video/film services etc, nights out regularly with taxis etc, but can't afford heating bill, car service/repairs, new tyres, comprehensive insurance (or in many cases any insurance!) Really - one word sums it up - irresponsible. Got it in one ! 👍👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 5 hours ago, Mungler said: The fiscal benefits of mass immigration have long been debunked; in total, more is taken out over a lifetime than put back in. It’s all part of the mass brain washing - no one voted for net immigration of 1,000,000 a year and yet here we are force fed the ‘benefits’ of cultural enrichment, told how everyone is an asylum seeker (not an economic migrant) and how the economy ‘needs’ the man power (which is nonsense as GDP per capita plummets). It’s an absolute mess and the cunning trick of the left (bearing in mind the left control education and media) was to call anyone questioning any aspect of mass immigration as racist thereby stifling any discussion or debate. Want to stop mass immigration? Turn off all the benefits. It’s the benefits that skew the natural economic order of global economic migration. It’s all very odd though in hindsight. Isn’t the primary obligation of any country’s government to its population? If the population truly knew back in the late 1990’s what lay ahead… and soon, those who can remember what life was like pre 1997 will pass on and no one will know or understand what has been lost. An amazing trick to pull by the politicians and bizarrely across all parties. But I then I really wonder about motivation - who has benefited? Was cheap unskilled labour that important in the scheme of economic growth? Were the routes to sorting out the white non working underclass that hard? Couldn’t law abiding working / middle classes be encouraged to have more children? Hindsight gives us some answers but not all. At least the issues are coming out into the open. That said, I won’t hold my breath that Labour will tackle any aspect of immigration and integration and so the next 5 years (along with the country being bankrupt) is going to be a bumpy ride. Everyone should of course read / listen to all of Douglas Murray’s books - quite prophetic given when they were written. Part of the problem is that the second generation have often not aspired to better themselves in the way it was assumed they would. Also job opportunities are shrinking fast That's real jobs, not delivering pizzas or stacking shelves in a warehouse on a zero hours hours contract We don't have a housing shortage, I wish people would stop saying that we have. There are at least as many houses as there were in the 70s and 80s. Actually there are a lot more, the only thing that has changed is the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 11 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Part of the problem is that the second generation have often not aspired to better themselves in the way it was assumed they would. Also job opportunities are shrinking fast That's real jobs, not delivering pizzas or stacking shelves in a warehouse on a zero hours hours contract We don't have a housing shortage, I wish people would stop saying that we have. There are at least as many houses as there were in the 70s and 80s. Actually there are a lot more, the only thing that has changed is the population. so the fact that the population increase of 10 million over the last 15/20 years hasn't impacted the available housing stock isn't relevant then🤣🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 19 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Part of the problem is that the second generation have often not aspired to better themselves in the way it was assumed they would. Also job opportunities are shrinking fast That's real jobs, not delivering pizzas or stacking shelves in a warehouse on a zero hours hours contract We don't have a housing shortage, I wish people would stop saying that we have. There are at least as many houses as there were in the 70s and 80s. Actually there are a lot more, the only thing that has changed is the population. Spot on. People get snow blind to the numbers. A million extra people is 2 x Bristol (and outlying suburbs). And where are these 1,000,000 extra bodies going to live, go to school, go to the doctors etc etc Madness and in plain and simple mathematical and economic terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 Labour are actively pursuing mass immigration, everything they have done in the last 5 weeks encourages it including this. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/10/angela-rayner-social-housing-migrants-drop-restrictions/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 9 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said: so the fact that the population increase of 10 million over the last 15/20 years hasn't impacted the available housing stock isn't relevant then🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes the problem is not a lack of housing its the increase in population that's causing the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 6 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Yes the problem is not a lack of housing its the increase in population that's causing the problem SERIOUSLY😮 so it's not hand in glove the same then🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 I’ve always said that there’s a huge industry around illegal migrants. All these assorted charities pay their staff - and executives/directors/PR companies... They may also receive central govt. funding as well, so UK taxpayers are supporting them. When they land in the UK, there are more charities, support groups, religious outfits, immigration lawyers, benefits advisers, local authority support groups, housing providers, etc. Many staff may be union members and pay union subs, so no conflict there Nearly all these agencies can receive state support if they configure themselves in the prescribed manner and fill out the forms. No wonder if so difficult for break the migrant cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 2 hours ago, Flashman said: I’ve always said that there’s a huge industry around illegal migrants. All these assorted charities pay their staff - and executives/directors/PR companies... They may also receive central govt. funding as well, so UK taxpayers are supporting them. When they land in the UK, there are more charities, support groups, religious outfits, immigration lawyers, benefits advisers, local authority support groups, housing providers, etc. Many staff may be union members and pay union subs, so no conflict there Nearly all these agencies can receive state support if they configure themselves in the prescribed manner and fill out the forms. No wonder if so difficult for break the migrant cycle. and they will vote Labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janner Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 11 hours ago, amateur said: and they will vote Labour And their children will become the backbone of the tory party. And so it goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agriv8 Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 Simply put they want to get to the uk because we give them free healthcare and a hotel roof over their head ! What’s not to like ? Agriv8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 37 minutes ago, janner said: And their children will become the backbone of the tory party. And so it goes on. Really? Not yet happened in Wales or the (remains of) industrial North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janner Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 (edited) I didnt even know that they still had the tory party in those oft ignored corners of our nation, Perhaps thats why the tories have, to coin an old phrase 'planted' migrants into those far flung and generally forgotten about corners, Adding a bit of the 'get up and go' dna to the local gene pool may reap rewards in a generation or two, Edited August 11 by janner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B686 Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 Get up and go 😂most are coming here to sponge off our benefits system . All that will do is probably add a few paedos and rapists to the rural community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 18 hours ago, Weihrauch17 said: Labour are actively pursuing mass immigration, everything they have done in the last 5 weeks encourages it including this. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/10/angela-rayner-social-housing-migrants-drop-restrictions/ Hello, Oh dear, All those 1000s of UK citizens on the housing waiting list do not stand any chance if that goes ahead, 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B686 Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 4 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Oh dear, All those 1000s of UK citizens on the housing waiting list do not stand any chance if that goes ahead, 🤔 Someone said to me the other day that Starmer and labour are a bigger threat to this country than Putin. Beginning to believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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