Keir's smashing the gangs

[Weihrauch17]

700 landed on Sunday.  His blatant encouragement of them is working very well.

[ditchman]

this will bring Labour down...........it is the single biggest issue on the politicle scene.........and Labour or the Conservertives....refuse to address it....because they want to stay in power and as an MP earning a damn good screw........

[Gordon R]

Starmer can't have it both ways. They hadn't been in power for more than a couple of weeks when he was boasting about smashing a gang and sending people back to Vietnam. Despite any work having clearly already been done under the Tories, Labour couldn't wait to take the credit. Gone a bit quiet since then. I was expecting a gang busted every week. 🙂

It isn't going to go away. He needs to be seen to be actually achieving something rather than vague stuff about recruiting staff.

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, If I replied to this Thread I would get banned 🤔  

[johnphilip]

11 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

Starmer can't have it both ways. They hadn't been in power for more than a couple of weeks when he was boasting about smashing a gang and sending people back to Vietnam. Despite any work having clearly already been done under the Tories, Labour couldn't wait to take the credit. Gone a bit quiet since then. I was expecting a gang busted every week. 🙂

It isn't going to go away. He needs to be seen to be actually achieving something rather than vague stuff about recruiting staff.

A few months ago before he became  PM , he did an interview  describing  the plight of pensioner and how sorry he. Felt for them . Within weeks in power he strips the heating allowance.  Problem is it did not reach the target savings he expected to save , by doing so.

[Penelope]

6 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, If I replied to this Thread I would get banned 🤔  

The ways things are going, probably arrested and imprisoned.

[Stonepark]

Stammer has no interest in stopping the boats or decreasing "legal" migration.

[oldypigeonpopper]

1 minute ago, Penelope said:

The ways things are going, probably arrested and imprisoned.

Hello, Yes for just being a Patriot of our Country

[Zoli 12 guage]

40 minutes ago, Penelope said:

The ways things are going, probably arrested and imprisoned.

yep, they'll let a rapist out to put you and nasty words in😡

[Raja Clavata]

1 hour ago, Stonepark said:

Stammer has no interest in stopping the boats or decreasing "legal" migration.

Sounds good, where they going to deport them to?

[johnphilip]

20 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

yep, they'll let a rapist out to put you and nasty words in😡

They released a murderer out , he had done very little of his sentence. 

[oldypigeonpopper]

1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, Yes for just being a Patriot of our Country

Hello,  Macron highlights how well the Olympic Games has gone , It is a shame he shows no interest in Illegal immigrants leaving French shores

[harrycatcat1]

2 hours ago, Weihrauch17 said:

700 landed on Sunday.  His blatant encouragement of them is working very well.

Talking to my Mrs this morning saying that you don't seem to see the boats on the news any more, is that so it doesn't wind folk up 🤔

[Weihrauch17]

4 minutes ago, harrycatcat1 said:

Talking to my Mrs this morning saying that you don't seem to see the boats on the news any more, is that so it doesn't wind folk up 🤔

Its Labours cunning plan to deal with it, ban reporting on it just like they are banning freedom of speech on many issues.  

[ShootingEgg]

5 minutes ago, harrycatcat1 said:

Talking to my Mrs this morning saying that you don't seem to see the boats on the news any more, is that so it doesn't wind folk up 🤔

If they get in with no loss of life it's ignored. If one falls in it makes the news and that's a sad state to be in with MSM , only reporting on the death.

[Mice!]

11 minutes ago, harrycatcat1 said:

Talking to my Mrs this morning saying that you don't seem to see the boats on the news any more, is that so it doesn't wind folk up 🤔

Probably just not reported on main stream news, something that happens every day isn't news anymore!!

25 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello,  Macron highlights how well the Olympic Games has gone , It is a shame he shows no interest in Illegal immigrants leaving French shores

He's very interested in them leaving,  how else do they make it yo the beaches where boats are always waiting for them, daily. 

48 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Sounds good, where they going to deport them to?

And that's the problem, I still want to see gun boats sinking them, I can't imagine they'd be so keen to keep coming after watching a few boat loads of young men flounder back onto the French shore.

Funny how they never have anything saying where their from either, no ID, ship them straight back to France. 

[johnphilip]

2 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Probably just not reported on main stream news, something that happens every day isn't news anymore!!

He's very interested in them leaving,  how else do they make it yo the beaches where boats are always waiting for them, daily. 

And that's the problem, I still want to see gun boats sinking them, I can't imagine they'd be so keen to keep coming after watching a few boat loads of young men flounder back onto the French shore.

Funny how they never have anything saying where their from either, no ID, ship them straight back to France. 

I belive it will eventually happen the boats been fired on when things realy get out of control .

[ditchman]

what is the answer

funny how every political thread winds up talking about the inability of various govts  stopping migrants FLOODING  in...........

are the govt worried  ?

[Zoli 12 guage]

3 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

I belive it will eventually happen the boats been fired on when things realy get out of control .

eh!!!!!!!!!!!

they're already out of control 👍👍👍

[JohnfromUK]

1 hour ago, johnphilip said:

A few months ago before he became  PM , he did an interview  describing  the plight of pensioner and how sorry he. Felt for them . Within weeks in power he strips the heating allowance.  Problem is it did not reach the target savings he expected to save , by doing so.

Starmer is a politician (and before that was a barrister).  As such, anyone who actually believes anything they say (and I'm talking most politicians of all parties here, not specifically Starmer) must be stupid.  Politicians say things to get votes.  They don't believe what they say, but it's a means to an end, the end being getting into 'power'.  Barristers represent their clients cases - and there must be a great many cases where they have to stand up in court and fight a case they don't believe in - because all cases need both a prosecution and a defence.  Both cannot be 'right'.  They know that, but still have to do the job for which they are being (handsomely) paid.

[johnphilip]

18 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Starmer is a politician (and before that was a barrister).  As such, anyone who actually believes anything they say (and I'm talking most politicians of all parties here, not specifically Starmer) must be stupid.  Politicians say things to get votes.  They don't believe what they say, but it's a means to an end, the end being getting into 'power'.  Barristers represent their clients cases - and there must be a great many cases where they have to stand up in court and fight a case they don't believe in - because all cases need both a prosecution and a defence.  Both cannot be 'right'.  They know that, but still have to do the job for which they are being (handsomely) paid.

Ok so why does anyone vote  for a particular party .

[johnphilip]

42 minutes ago, ditchman said:

what is the answer

funny how every political thread winds up talking about the inability of various govts  stopping migrants FLOODING  in...........

are the govt worried  ?

Depends on what Party you belive in .

[JohnfromUK]

8 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

Ok so why does anyone vote  for a particular party .

That's a difficult question;

1. A large proportion always vote for the party they have always have voted for (sometimes family 'pressure', Union policy etc plays a part)
2. A number (eventually) vote for anyone other than the party in power (who ALWAYS have very visible problems - whereas parties not in power haven't had the opportunity to make mess of things!)
3. Some vote on local issues, or for the candidate they like
4. Some vote on the big 'national' issues (e.g. Brexit, and in Wales and Scotland, independence)
5. Some (and actually, I think it's relatively few) vote based on reading the manifesto
6. Many (myself included) live in a very 'safe' seat (can be any party, but doesn't swing about) - and so can vote however they want with no change to either local or national outcomes - other than perhaps giving a message by the size of the majority
7. Some vote as a protest against the two main parties
8. Some vote on 'conscience' in that they may vote Green because they believe that they will save the planet for future generations, prevent pollution, stop fossil fuels etc.
9. Some vote on the personalities of the party 'leaders' (and leadership team) - Farage is an example - he is a BIG character and speaks what people want to hear very 'clearly'.
10. Some vote 'tactically' as advised by the press/pressure groups.  My neighbouring constituency had a big drive to get all (then opposition supporters) to vote for one single opposition candidate to get rid of the incumbent

In my view - after many years doing a mainly very poor job, the Tories were going to loose.  Some many people I met said along the lines of I've always voted Tory but this time they have done so badly anyone else must be worth a try - I'm voting (insert LibDem/Labour/Reform/Green/Monster Raving Loonie as appropriate)!

[johnphilip]

12 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

That's a difficult question;

1. A large proportion always vote for the party they have always have voted for (sometimes family 'pressure', Union policy etc plays a part)
2. A number (eventually) vote for anyone other than the party in power (who ALWAYS have very visible problems - whereas parties not in power haven't had the opportunity to make mess of things!)
3. Some vote on local issues, or for the candidate they like
4. Some vote on the big 'national' issues (e.g. Brexit, and in Wales and Scotland, independence)
5. Some (and actually, I think it's relatively few) vote based on reading the manifesto
6. Many (myself included) live in a very 'safe' seat (can be any party, but doesn't swing about) - and so can vote however they want with no change to either local or national outcomes - other than perhaps giving a message by the size of the majority
7. Some vote as a protest against the two main parties
8. Some vote on 'conscience' in that they may vote Green because they believe that they will save the planet for future generations, prevent pollution, stop fossil fuels etc.
9. Some vote on the personalities of the party 'leaders' (and leadership team) - Farage is an example - he is a BIG character and speaks what people want to hear very 'clearly'.
10. Some vote 'tactically' as advised by the press/pressure groups.  My neighbouring constituency had a big drive to get all (then opposition supporters) to vote for one single opposition candidate to get rid of the incumbent

In my view - after many years doing a mainly very poor job, the Tories were going to loose.  Some many people I met said along the lines of I've always voted Tory but this time they have done so badly anyone else must be worth a try - I'm voting (insert LibDem/Labour/Reform/Green/Monster Raving Loonie as appropriate)!

I did not want to make it to easy for you 😉 I voted for a party not for what they say , but what they belive in 

Number one of your replies , i think is like car insurance we used to stick with one , now we shop around to one that suits our needs .

[JohnfromUK]

23 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

but what they belive in 

But you only know what they believe in (this time around) from what they say;

For example, Labour as a party 'believed in' a variety of things under Corbyn which Starmer clearly doesn't believe in.  E.g.

• Corbyn was a leaver - Starmer was a Remainer - and actually I don't think knows where he stands at all now?
• Corbyn was pro Palestinians, anti Israel (and very possibly anti Semitic as well) - Starmer is (moderately anyway) pro Israel
• Corybn was a nuclear disarmer, Starmer is not
• Corbyn was notably Putin 'sympathetic'.  Starmer is not.

and a whole load of other things.  But that was THEN - and we are in NOW with Starmer in Downing Street.  Remember Starmer supported Corbyn and was a loyal member of  his front bench team and shadow cabinet - but has since done a U turn on a great many issues and expelled his predecessor from the whipped party (Corbyn now sits as an independent). 

There is no truth or loyalty in politics.