The impact of mass migration 🤔

[oowee]

3 minutes ago, oowee said:

No it never explained nett migration neither did anything that fell out Farage's mouth. 

It would be interesting to know what number of Brits have returned and been counted and what number are likely to return. The numbers will be huge. 

Only a couple of thousand Brits were kicked out of the EU (and they wont count). There are something like 1.2m Brit immigrants in the EU. 

[Remimax]

stabbing each other on the dingy crossings now ,you can't make this **** up.

[yickdaz]

On 06/09/2024 at 12:05, Vince Green said:

Germany, it is reported, is going to go down the Rwanda route. Making Starmer look like a right plonker in the process.

It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic how badly this government is doing

He's always been a right plonker don't need anything to prove that 

[Rewulf]

19 minutes ago, oowee said:

The numbers will be huge. 

They wont be 700,000 a year 
And Brits moving abroad subtracts from the total figure of people coming into the UK.

 

14 minutes ago, Remimax said:

stabbing each other on the dingy crossings now ,you can't make this **** up.

Bet theyre still let in though, its their ooman rights to stab each other, part of their culture.

[oowee]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

They wont be 700,000 a year 
And Brits moving abroad subtracts from the total figure of people coming into the UK.

 

Bet theyre still let in though, its their ooman rights to stab each other, part of their culture.

I reckon removing the rights of 1.2m Brits to return would have a bigger impact on Net migration than stopping all the dingy crossings. 

[Rewulf]

450 yesterday, a new record this year, Starmers hitting those trafficker gangs hard 

450 x £150 per day £67500 thats just for basic needs, translators and legal reps will be £100 an hour minimum.

£24.6 million a year to keep just yesterdays 8 boat loads, plus maybe the same again in other costs and processing their asylum claims.
A likely £50 million pa for 1 days boat crossing.

1 minute ago, oowee said:

I reckon removing the rights of 1.2m Brits to return would have a bigger impact on Net migration than stopping all the dingy crossings. 

Not that that would ever happen, but at least they could support themselves if it did.

[oowee]

Just now, Rewulf said:

450 yesterday, a new record this year, Starmers hitting those trafficker gangs hard 

450 x £150 per day £67500 thats just for basic needs, translators and legal reps will be £100 an hour minimum.

£24.6 million a year to keep just yesterdays 8 boat loads, plus maybe the same again in other costs and processing their asylum claims.
A likely £50 million pa for 1 days boat crossing.

Not that that would ever happen, but at least they could support themselves if it did.

They clearly can't that's why they are coming back. 

Is there a breakdown of this 700000 figure you are bandying about? 

[Vince Green]

Just now, oowee said:

They clearly can't that's why they are coming back. 

How do you know what their reasons are? You can't just toss something like that into a discussion and expect to get away with it

[B686]

I know I would much rather loads of brits coming back than what’s coming here by the boat load at the present time. At least they won’t be forming grooming gangs and robbing and stabbing people. As for the idiots with their we welcome refugees let them in signs, better not put what I think of them.

Edited September 9 by B686

[oowee]

22 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

How do you know what their reasons are? You can't just toss something like that into a discussion and expect to get away with it

2250 kicked out

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/06/brexit-thousands-britons-expelled-eu

This bit is AI;

According to recent data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), the number of people emigrating from the UK in 2023 was estimated at 532,000, with a net migration figure of 685,000, suggesting a significant number of expats are returning to the UK post-Brexit; however, specific data on the exact number of "expats returning due to Brexit" is not readily available as the ONS figures encompass all emigration reasons

Large numbers of Brits emigrated for a cheaper lifestyle supported by reciprocal health arrangement. Given that arrangement is now withdrawn and health care is expensive it would be reasonable to conclude that cost has an impact on numbers. 

 

Edited September 9 by oowee

[Rewulf]

45 minutes ago, oowee said:

Is there a breakdown of this 700000 figure you are bandying about? 

Of course there is, do you think I just made it up 

The latest official estimates from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) indicate that net migration in the year ending December 2023 stood at 685,000, compared with an updated estimate of 764,000 for the year ending December 2022.23 May 2024

 

8 minutes ago, oowee said:

According to recent data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), the number of people emigrating from the UK in 2023 was estimated at 532,000, with a net migration figure of 685,000,

Then you quote it yourself !

So actual influx is close to 1.2 million, now unless youre saying that 500,000 ex pat Brits are returning (which I highly doubt) EU and non EU migration is off the charts, that a city the size of Birmingham every year.
And THAT is uncontrolled immigration my friend.

[12gauge82]

6 hours ago, oowee said:

Thousands upon thousands of Brits moved abroad and sometimes back again using freedom of Movement. No idea on Lithuania where do you have the data?

Brits were not forced to move back but without healthcare (expired 2021) many thousands did and many more will. All added to the immigrant numbers. 

It's not a normal situation though is it, if you emergrate, you don't necessarily get the benefits of both countries. 

The normal operation of a country is to have borders, be in charge of your own legal systems, who gets to come to it, organise your own trade deals ect.

The EU is the anomaly, what's wrong with wanting to be your own sovereign nation just like the rest of the world operates. 

[oowee]

19 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

It's not a normal situation though is it, if you emergrate, you don't necessarily get the benefits of both countries. 

The normal operation of a country is to have borders, be in charge of your own legal systems, who gets to come to it, organise your own trade deals ect.

The EU is the anomaly, what's wrong with wanting to be your own sovereign nation just like the rest of the world operates. 

It's not the best answer for economic growth and a more competitive economy but nothing wrong with it. The reality is that we are part of a global market place, the market place determines the rules of trade. We can make our own trade deals but as a small market place we have less leverage.

We are in charge of our own legal systems and we are a sovereign nation but in reality we have no choice but to conform to the norms, the same norms as apply to the EU. 

[Houseplant]

My dad lives in Cyprus, but voted for Brexit (as did I). It was a principled vote against his own best interests for the benefit of the country (UK). Cyprus has been good to him and he still gets free healthcare. Of course, Cyprus has received the proceeds from his UK pensions for many years and I believe he pays tax there, so there reciprocity as it should be. 

As an aside, Cyprus is overrun with illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. It's an even hotter topic over there than in the UK. We visited my dad last year and it's the only thing anyone wanted to talk about and I don't mean British expats, I'm talking about born and bred Greek Cypriots. 

[old man]

On 07/09/2024 at 12:19, Rewulf said:

Go on then what have they actually DONE ?
Theyve done nothing, except talk about what they are going to do, which is not what they said they were going to do pre election !
Pre election it was, 'These plans are all fully costed'
Now its 'Oh dear, we didnt realise theres no money to do it' so austerity here we come.

The party of law and order ? Thats just too ridiculous to even comment on.

And its going to stay that way or get worse 'Its going to get a lot worse before it gets better' Starmers own words. Great start 

The tories took on the same situation back in 2010, labour left the country in a mess, is it more of a mess now ?
Maybe it is, but its not going to get better under this government, because they are utterly clueless how to fix it.

Just another 3 ring circus with delusional clowns?

More of the same clueless carp seemingly hell bent on causing more grief to our own population?

The longer I live here the more I regret not flying out years ago when I had chance.

[12gauge82]

13 minutes ago, old man said:

 

The longer I live here the more I regret not flying out years ago when I had chance.

I've had the same thoughts on emigrating,the problem would be to where, the whole western world appears to have gone mad, even Australias gone woke. 

[Mungler]

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

I've had the same thoughts on emigrating,the problem would be to where, the whole western world appears to have gone mad, even Australias gone woke. 

I have had the same thoughts.

In the old days people would look to Canada, New Zealand and Australia. I don’t fancy that much now.

Red states and red governors are next, but nothing stays the same. I know a few who have gone to Florida and Texas.

Big chatter about Philippines and Thailand if you are older - the culture is different and elderly focused. 

But in all of this I’ve seen nothing stays the same and the risk is pulling stumps to find where you run to is worse in 10 years (Portugal is a fair example of that).

[Raja Clavata]

14 hours ago, Houseplant said:

My dad lives in Cyprus, but voted for Brexit (as did I). It was a principled vote against his own best interests for the benefit of the country (UK). Cyprus has been good to him and he still gets free healthcare. Of course, Cyprus has received the proceeds from his UK pensions for many years and I believe he pays tax there, so there reciprocity as it should be. 

As an aside, Cyprus is overrun with illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. It's an even hotter topic over there than in the UK. We visited my dad last year and it's the only thing anyone wanted to talk about and I don't mean British expats, I'm talking about born and bred Greek Cypriots. 

There’s a very important point in this post which relates to the fact that we in the UK appear to believe our immigration issues are somehow unique (of cause we’re special, we proved that in 2016). The fact is that it’s pretty much a global issue. A former girlfriend, who works for UNHCR, has just returned from a mission in Niger where she was dealing with asylum applications. If you know Niger, go figure…

1 hour ago, Mungler said:

I have had the same thoughts.

In the old days people would look to Canada, New Zealand and Australia. I don’t fancy that much now.

Red states and red governors are next, but nothing stays the same. I know a few who have gone to Florida and Texas.

Big chatter about Philippines and Thailand if you are older - the culture is different and elderly focused. 

But in all of this I’ve seen nothing stays the same and the risk is pulling stumps to find where you run to is worse in 10 years (Portugal is a fair example of that).

Same here. I could pretty much go where I want with work but the question is where.

But for what’s down the line for Portugal that would be a decent bet.

[old man]

2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

I've had the same thoughts on emigrating,the problem would be to where, the whole western world appears to have gone mad, even Australias gone woke. 

Far too late now, who in the world would be stupid enough to entertain us old creatures? 🤫

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, As of the Prisons there is going to be a time in years ahead where there will be no room at the Inn for Illegal Migrants , What happens then ?? 

[old man]

Just now, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, As of the Prisons there is going to be a time in years ahead where there will be no room at the Inn for Illegal Migrants , What happens then ?? 

Mm, my mother in law god bless her cotton socks always used to joke that if you were sent to prison because you couldn't pay your bills at least you would be warm and get 3 meals a day.

Our revered leaders have even managed to break that now? 😀

[Vince Green]

2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

I've had the same thoughts on emigrating,the problem would be to where, the whole western world appears to have gone mad, even Australias gone woke. 

Unlike this country the other desirable countries have very strict rules and wouldn't let you in. USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand would all turn you down 

[oowee]

2 hours ago, old man said:

Far too late now, who in the world would be stupid enough to entertain us old creatures? 🤫

Jersey. Its small but well put together. You would have to rent for ten years 

[Rewulf]

58 minutes ago, oowee said:

Jersey. Its small but well put together. You would have to rent for ten years 

And be very well off to do so....

Always puzzled me why none of the Channel islands seem to have an illegal migrant issue, closer than the mainland UK, funny that.....

[old man]

36 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

And be very well off to do so....

Always puzzled me why none of the Channel islands seem to have an illegal migrant issue, closer than the mainland UK, funny that.....

If only it were funny?