Robden Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 On 12/09/2024 at 10:49, oowee said: The UK's zero emission vehicle (ZEV) mandate requires car manufacturers to sell a minimum percentage of zero-emission vehicles each year: 2024: 22% of new cars sold must be zero-emission 2025: 28% of new cars sold must be zero-emission 2028: 52% of new cars sold must be zero-emission 2030: 80% of new cars sold must be zero-emission 2035: 100% of new cars sold must be zero-emission And what if they're not? What is the punishment? Will the CEOs be shot at dawn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 8 minutes ago, Robden said: What is the punishment? At a guess - further rises on (oil based) motor fuels - to encourage people to swap punish people for not swapping 10 minutes ago, Robden said: Will the CEOs be shot at dawn? No - the penalties will be born by the (innocent) day to day motorist just going about his/her normal activities. Those on travel 'allowances' such as politicians will be unaffected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 (edited) 13 hours ago, bluesj said: That could be a problem as so far this year only 17% of cars sold are electric Hello, Is it no wonder with the Prices What is the cheapest Electric Car ?? Ah a Dacia at £15,000 which i suppose is not bad against a petrol/diesel Edited October 4 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 (edited) 5 hours ago, Robden said: Edited October 4 by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 4 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Is it no wonder with the Prices What is the cheapest Electric Car ?? Ah a Dacia at £15,000 which i suppose is not bad against a petrol/diesel That's not bad at £15k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 7 minutes ago, oowee said: That's not bad at £15k "Batteries NOT included" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 33 minutes ago, wymberley said: "Batteries NOT included" 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 10 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Is it no wonder with the Prices What is the cheapest Electric Car ?? Ah a Dacia at £15,000 which i suppose is not bad against a petrol/diesel That little Dacia doesn't look bad for a 15k car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 EU impose tarrifs on China cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 9 hours ago, wymberley said: "Batteries NOT included" Hello, Oh did i miss that !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 Interesting article here (The Autocar) https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/consumer/diesel-demand-more-evs-private-buyers-september Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 On 06/10/2024 at 16:12, JohnfromUK said: Interesting article here (The Autocar) https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/consumer/diesel-demand-more-evs-private-buyers-september Diesel demand up eh? And yet the European car manufacturers are under a green mandate to abandon all that technology and development to enter to the EV green market place and go toe to toe with China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 On 07/10/2024 at 19:36, Mungler said: Diesel demand up eh? And yet the European car manufacturers are under a green mandate to abandon all that technology and development to enter to the EV green market place and go toe to toe with China. Go bust more like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 On 03/10/2024 at 17:47, enfieldspares said: I predict that there will be an increase, maybe, in the value of good condition secondhand petrol cars as 2035 approaches. It appears they have already anticipated that probability and are going to counter it by steadily cranking up the road tax on older models year on year until people think its not worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 17 minutes ago, Vince Green said: It appears they have already anticipated that probability and are going to counter it by steadily cranking up the road tax on older models year on year until people think its not worth it I think indeed you may be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 If petrol and diesel are to be phased out, how are they going to grab money off EV drivers who are charging at home from solar panels? I know Gordon Brown wanted pay per mile using GPS and of course all new EVs have the tech to record every detail of every journey. There’s a brave new world round the corner… Time to get an old 1600 cross flow Ford and register it as a classic car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mungler said: If petrol and diesel are to be phased out, how are they going to grab money off EV drivers who are charging at home from solar panels? I know Gordon Brown wanted pay per mile using GPS and of course all new EVs have the tech to record every detail of every journey. There’s a brave new world round the corner… Time to get an old 1600 cross flow Ford and register it as a classic car. Evidence now emerging that BMW and Mercedes are walking away from EVs. Ford has hinted similar. I can't imagine VW won't follow. Collectively they have the clout to tell the EU to shove it EVs are like the emperors new clothes. Everyone seems to realise its never going to work but nobody wants to be the first to come out say so. Edited November 9 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 22 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Evidence now emerging that BMW and Mercedes are walking away from EVs. Ford has hinted similar. I can't imagine VW won't follow. Collectively they have the clout to tell the EU to shove it EVs are like the emperors new clothes. Everyone seems to realise its never going to work but nobody wants to be the first to come out say so. What evidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 5 hours ago, Mungler said: If petrol and diesel are to be phased out, how are they going to grab money off EV drivers who are charging at home from solar panels? I know Gordon Brown wanted pay per mile using GPS and of course all new EVs have the tech to record every detail of every journey. There’s a brave new world round the corner… Time to get an old 1600 cross flow Ford and register it as a classic car. Next year's road tax for a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 13 hours ago, oowee said: What evidence? Google it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 2 hours ago, Vince Green said: Google it I did and found nothing other than BMW predicting selling a record 1/2 a million ev's. If you have something tangible share it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 (edited) You need to press the "enter" button. Automakers change course on EV strategies | fDi Intelligence – Your source for foreign direct investment information - fDiIntelligence.com EV euphoria is dead. Automakers trumpet consumer choice in U.S. Toyota, Ford and Volvo to name just a few more. Edited November 10 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 23 minutes ago, Gordon R said: You need to press the "enter" button. Automakers change course on EV strategies | fDi Intelligence – Your source for foreign direct investment information - fDiIntelligence.com EV euphoria is dead. Automakers trumpet consumer choice in U.S. Toyota, Ford and Volvo to name just a few more. Thankyou Gordon. So rather than walking away as suggested it's more of a scaling back / realignment of targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 They are merely replicating your diligent Google search. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 (edited) Just now, oowee said: Thankyou Gordon. So rather than walking away as suggested it's more of a scaling back / realignment of targets. No, BMW are planning to launch hydrogen cars in 2028 Working in conjunction with Toyota. Mercedes also throwing a lot of R&D into hydrogen cars and has prototypes being tested Why would they be doing that if they believed EVs were a done deal? But im not going to do your research for you because you won't believe anyway. If EVs were such a great idea they would evolve naturally and customer choice would drive the transition. Why the need for draconian legislation? Why the need for any sort of legislation come to think of it? Good products sell themselves They don't work for most motorists, people don't like them, they cost too much, depreciate like mad and are inconvenient to charge. Plus the insurance is outrageous Oh and just for good measure, they are an environmental disaster. Where is the logic in German, French, British and American car manufacturers chucking away a hundred and twenty years of engine manufacturing expertise to produce and sell cars powered by Chinese lithium batteries? Unless there is some other agenda at play here? Edited November 10 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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