Rewulf Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 5 minutes ago, ditchman said: lets see what the response is..........i suspect it will be brutal... It will be a measured response, they kill one Israeli, the IDF kill 100 Iranians. If the Israeli death toll runs into 1000s, it will likely be nuke time, using some of those warheads they pretend not to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 25 minutes ago, Rewulf said: It will be a measured response, they kill one Israeli, the IDF kill 100 Iranians. If the Israeli death toll runs into 1000s, it will likely be nuke time, using some of those warheads they pretend not to have. Was just thinking something that leaves a mushroom cloud, would just about cover it. I mean, what's the point in having a nuclear deterrent, if you do not use it when attacked. It's hardly a deterrent if they know you will not use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 1 Author Report Share Posted October 1 Instant Sunshine and a lot of glass, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 1 Author Report Share Posted October 1 1 hour ago, Flashman said: I wonder if the IDF will go straight for the head in Iran, or focus on the Republican Guard? Or both… My money is on both. From the BBC Website; "Iranian President Massoud Pezeshkian has defended Iran’s attack tonight and warned Israel in a post on X., external Pezeshkian says that, based on Iran’s "legitimate rights" with the purpose of "peace and security for Iran and the region", a "decisive" response "in defence of Iranian interests and citizens" was given to Israel. Addressing Netanyahu, he says the Israeli PM must know that "Iran is not a war-monger but will firmly stand against any threat". He warns Israel that tonight’s attack was just a "glimpse" of Iran’s capabilities and not to "engage in conflict" with Iran." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 i think we are finding bit by bit ...that the Iranian /russian tech' munitions is sub standard and out of date.....The Israel's stuff is state of the art.....very much the same in the Ukraine ..the russian stuff is out of date and sub-standard and the Ukraine stuff is (with the help of western goods) is top banana....Also the Ukraine people are moving very very quickly in manufacturing thheir own high tech stuff... I also believe the IDF has MASSIVE stockpiles of stuff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 Terrorist attack in Tel Aviv 45 mins ago. Gunman shooting. Iran bombing heavily tonight. Whats going to happen who knows . I am Sure will be escalated to stop the usa elections coming up and potentially bring us to the brink of ww3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 7 hours ago, Fargo said: Terrorist attack in Tel Aviv 45 mins ago. Gunman shooting. Iran bombing heavily tonight. Whats going to happen who knows . I am Sure will be escalated to stop the usa elections coming up and potentially bring us to the brink of ww3 It’s an interesting question of escalation and who has got whose back. We know Iran is pally with Russia and China, and one wonders what deal was done with Russia in return for the drones to use in Ukraine. That said, anyone remotely rational wouldn’t want Iran to get a nuclear capability (who wants N Korea 2.0?) and I suspect the Yanks will use the latest attack by Iran on Israel to have a go at Iran’s nuclear facilities, save that having learnt from previous experience Iran no doubt has them tucked away deeper underground. So who is going to do what for Iran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 2 Author Report Share Posted October 2 If the Americans do go after Irans nuclear arsenal I think it will be done very quietly and if they are deep underground they will close the area down to prevent access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 They ....the media and sky, report "nearly all missiles were intercepted"........... looking at the extensive footage of this attack ....it looks that about 20% MAX of the missiles were intercepted ............i havt seen EVERY single bit of footage......and i see what i see....and the statement ..."nearly all missiles were intercepted".......i think is very misleading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 2 Author Report Share Posted October 2 5 minutes ago, ditchman said: They ....the media and sky, report "nearly all missiles were intercepted"........... looking at the extensive footage of this attack ....it looks that about 20% MAX of the missiles were intercepted ............i havt seen EVERY single bit of footage......and i see what i see....and the statement ..."nearly all missiles were intercepted".......i think is very misleading I don't know, the ships are out as the first line of defence and there is quite a lot of extremely good equipment tracking and defeating the missiles. I reckon that the next step up will be strikes from the Israeli Air Force on the launch sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 4 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I don't know, the ships are out as the first line of defence and there is quite a lot of extremely good equipment tracking and defeating the missiles. I reckon that the next step up will be strikes from the Israeli Air Force on the launch sites. Yes Israel know its going to happen and are well ready for it i cant see many missiles getting threw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 7 hours ago, Mungler said: So who is going to do what for Iran? Or more importantly, who has already done what for Iran ? If NK or Russia are as 'rogue' as we are told, might they not have already given Iran some nuclear capability, or at least the material to build some warheads ? I was watching the footage of the interceptions above Israel yesterday, with many explosions above cities, if the missiles contained nuclear or chemical material, it wouldnt really matter if they hit their targets. The other aspect is a biological attack. The common belief is that if Iran had a warhead, they would use it immediately on Israel. But there are many other methods of mass destruction that Iran could use, but hasnt. We shall have to see what kind of response the IDF have in mind, because I would imagine Iran could have done far worse than yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 now reporting 99% of missiles shot down...BLOODY CODSWAHALLOPS there is going to be a brutal response shortly.... how many sleeper cell agents of Hezbollah have come in on rubber boats via Dover this week ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, ditchman said: now reporting 99% of missiles shot down...BLOODY CODSWAHALLOPS there is going to be a brutal response shortly.... how many sleeper cell agents of Hezbollah have come in on rubber boats via Dover this week ... Good question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 3 hours ago, ditchman said: now reporting 99% of missiles shot down...BLOODY CODSWAHALLOPS That would mean 2 out of the 180 fired. Even the BBC admit to 9 hitting one airbase, with others hitting TelAviv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 whats the betting that the nuclear facilities will be hit bad and their oil industry just another excuse to bung the price of fuel up by 20p /litre... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 8 minutes ago, ditchman said: whats the betting that the nuclear facilities will be hit bad and their oil industry just another excuse to bung the price of fuel up by 20p /litre... I hope not we need the tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 Quote I hope not we need the tax. How will increasing the price of fuel decrease revenue for HMRC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 4 minutes ago, Gordon R said: How will increasing the price of fuel decrease revenue for HMRC? Fuel is currently (relatively cheap) increasing fuel tax would barely be noticed given the previously higher price of fuel. If fuel increases in price as a result of the war there is less room for the govt to increase tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 Why does the Government need to increase tax? Far from a 22 billion black hole - was it not a surplus of 39 billion that they inherited? They only need more revenue to pay for massive pay rises. Although not a minister, Diane Abbott appears to be doing the sums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 2 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Why does the Government need to increase tax? Far from a 22 billion black hole - was it not a surplus of 39 billion that they inherited? They only need more revenue to pay for massive pay rises. Although not a minister, Diane Abbott appears to be doing the sums. It's a Labour government. It's in their genes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 15 minutes ago, oowee said: Fuel is currently (relatively cheap) increasing fuel tax would barely be noticed given the previously higher price of fuel. If fuel increases in price as a result of the war there is less room for the govt to increase tax. So fuel is 'relatively' cheap at the moment, so we might as well increase the tax and make it not cheap ? Now thats the sort of socialist thinking that we're talking about Honestly.... I wonder, if we found a huge reserve of oil in the North Sea, that would guarantee cheap fuel for decades in the UK, they would just keep it at the same (high) price anyway ? Or would we just leave it there.... Because we have to get to net zero ect. In reality we would just get another nation to collect it, then buy it off them, such is the mentality of our leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 1 minute ago, Rewulf said: So fuel is 'relatively' cheap at the moment, so we might as well increase the tax and make it not cheap ? Now thats the sort of socialist thinking that we're talking about Honestly.... I wonder, if we found a huge reserve of oil in the North Sea, that would guarantee cheap fuel for decades in the UK, they would just keep it at the same (high) price anyway ? Or would we just leave it there.... Because we have to get to net zero ect. In reality we would just get another nation to collect it, then buy it off them, such is the mentality of our leaders. Don't need to be a socialist to think of it. All govt's have been doing it. If we find an oil field the fuel would be traded on the wholesale market the same as the cheap wind and solar energy we create. We cannot subsidise trade it's one of the basic tacit of free trade even a socialist would know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 20 minutes ago, oowee said: the cheap wind and solar energy So why do we pay some of the highest prices to " SUBSIDISE" this CHEAP energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 8 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: So why do we pay some of the highest prices to " SUBSIDISE" this CHEAP energy. Without wanting to divert the thread. The Gov't (tory in this case) rightly had to ensure that schemes happen on time to meet energy supply targets. The CFD scheme, to agree a sustainable strike price, is an excellent way to ensure that schemes are driven by supply rather than demand. The price we pay is determined by the wholesale market price not the cost of the source. This is largely resolved from the price of gas. Gas being the most expensive way to meet electricity demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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