Dougy Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 I see that the Hunt has been on the trail of a fox around a Warwickshire village, this boils my wee. I have stood up for the hunt over the years and had the opinion of live and let live but seeing things like this just shows what a bunch FOOLS the hunt brigade are. Unfortunately the hunt deserve what they get and they have brought this all on by themselves due to not using discretion or an ounce of common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B686 Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 I know a former hunt master and he says the hunts will put the final nails in the coffin for hunting them selves. Won’t be the antis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy93x5k091o Looks Labour will ban Trail Hunting as part of their class warfare programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted November 18 Author Report Share Posted November 18 1 hour ago, B686 said: I know a former hunt master and he says the hunts will put the final nails in the coffin for hunting them selves. Won’t be the antis. Said this years ago, there so far up their own backsides they never thought it would happen to them, a small part of me actually sides with the Anti's because of the Hunt's arrogance. 52 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy93x5k091o Looks Labour will ban Trail Hunting as part of their class warfare programme. This will of course be on the top of his agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 (edited) Not quite the same Dougy ,but it still involve a hunt meeting when yesterday three horses died or were put down within a hour at a race meeting , the anti's will no doubt home in on these sort of race's . Edited November 18 by marsh man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 Cannot see the issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 agree the hunts have shot themselves in the foot..........they were becoming arrogant and thought they could get away with it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 When the anti's do away with fox hunting there not going to stop till fishing and shooting are gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 23 minutes ago, Bigbob said: When the anti's do away with fox hunting there not going to stop till fishing and shooting are gone I'm not so sure about that, there's a massive difference between dogs chasing a petrified fox till it can't run anymore or digging it out, than a quick humane shot the quarry didn't even know is coming after it. When troublesome foxes can be destroyed humanely by shooting there is bound to be many who feel several dogs chasing then ripping them to death is a savage way to deal with them that is way past its time to desist. That the hunts do it so visibly with utter contempt of the law is their own fault it looming again. We rightly condemn lefties who obstruct the will of the people in the Brexit vote yet many on the right obfuscate and defy the vote against fox hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 8 hours ago, Bigbob said: When the anti's do away with fox hunting there not going to stop till fishing and shooting are gone Just scare tactics echoed by the hunts who have done nothing to help shooting over the years. The UK lacks apex predators, there will always be a need for shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 7 hours ago, Dave-G said: yet many on the right obfuscate and defy the vote against fox hunting. Wasn't aware the public had a vote, did I miss that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 10 hours ago, Bigbob said: When the anti's do away with fox hunting there not going to stop till fishing and shooting are gone Agreed, the aniti do not care and play the long game. Divide and conquor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 3 hours ago, Newbie to this said: Wasn't aware the public had a vote, did I miss that one? I think it was an MP's vote on behalf of their constituents to be fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 5 hours ago, Newbie to this said: Wasn't aware the public had a vote, did I miss that one? Labour were elected under the mandate of having a free vote on banning hunting with dogs. They have obviously just been re-elected and they have promised to fully ban it by closing the loopholes left by the last act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted November 19 Author Report Share Posted November 19 14 hours ago, Dave-G said: I'm not so sure about that, there's a massive difference between dogs chasing a petrified fox till it can't run anymore or digging it out, than a quick humane shot the quarry didn't even know is coming after it. When troublesome foxes can be destroyed humanely by shooting there is bound to be many who feel several dogs chasing then ripping them to death is a savage way to deal with them that is way past its time to desist. That the hunts do it so visibly with utter contempt of the law is their own fault it looming again. We rightly condemn lefties who obstruct the will of the people in the Brexit vote yet many on the right obfuscate and defy the vote against fox hunting. Dave, i have to disagree with you on this 100%. All Country sports or shall we say all Blood-sports are on the agenda, they do not agree with fishing and have not agreed with the sport for well over 40 years, do you remember the PETA poster with the dog with a fishing hook in its mouth The anti's want everything stopped/banned that they do not agree with !!! bit of a 1 way street isnt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 My mate was on a fox drive when the antis stormed in because he wasnt quick enough breaking his gun and putting it away a few antis kicked off and tried to film the guns it kicked off and one anti broke down and started crying saying im only 15 , After asking *** are you doing here then he was on £20 for a day out . It ended in court and although it got flung out my mate spent a lot of his own money on it and it dragged on and on and he got his guns back but i dont think hes used them since The antis dont care about anything they just want to stop people enjoying themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 1 hour ago, Dougy said: Dave, i have to disagree with you on this 100%. All Country sports or shall we say all Blood-sports are on the agenda, they do not agree with fishing and have not agreed with the sport for well over 40 years, do you remember the PETA poster with the dog with a fishing hook in its mouth The anti's want everything stopped/banned that they do not agree with !!! bit of a 1 way street isnt it I think this is spot on. That said I do struggle with hunting with dogs for the reasons expressed above. I would struggle to defend the sport for pest control. There is an interesting situation developing with the (anti's) move for rewilding, where deer, rabbits etc are causing major damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dougy said: Dave, i have to disagree with you on this 100%. All Country sports or shall we say all Blood-sports are on the agenda, they do not agree with fishing and have not agreed with the sport for well over 40 years, do you remember the PETA poster with the dog with a fishing hook in its mouth The anti's want everything stopped/banned that they do not agree with !!! bit of a 1 way street isnt it That's as seen through our eyes though Doug. I think its the most inhumane of blood sports to a creature that is capable of being aware of a threat on their life. This country has for many years had anti cruelty rules about how most animals are killed. The general public won't support killing animals just for fun or something to do - especially if it involves massive cruelty. Most people would abhor cock or dog fighting and badger digging too: It's not being done for food. There are more humane and discreet ways to kill a livestock pest. Forgive this analogy but I can't think of a more realistic alternative but let me swap four legged creatures for ourselves. If for some reason you had to be killed today for whatever reason without prior knowledge it was going to happen - would you (or your loved one's) rather it had been a swift end by a bullet we don't see or hear coming - or maybe 30 young fit agile baying men chase you a few miles till you are exhausted then rip you apart while still alive and able to feel it taking place? As for fishing there is a fair degree of cruelty and slow death while fighting for life there too, and I've also done my share of it. Edited November 19 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 You know your fighting a loosing battle when they print Grouse are raised in huge numbers in cages to be shot , You cant educate mutton but they will still argue it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 3 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Labour were elected under the mandate of having a free vote on banning hunting with dogs. They have obviously just been re-elected and they have promised to fully ban it by closing the loopholes left by the last act. Right I see thank you for explaining. I didn't realise it was in their manifesto. It must be the only manifesto pledge they have ever kept...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 That's any game bird thats reared for sport gone then they will stop all shooting for sport as been said they will divide and conquer if you dont all stand together you will lose the fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 35 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Right I see thank you for explaining. I didn't realise it was in their manifesto. It must be the only manifesto pledge they have ever kept...... Agreed. Labour are appalling, but then so are the Cons. 11 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: That's any game bird thats reared for sport gone then they will stop all shooting for sport as been said they will divide and conquer if you dont all stand together you will lose the fight I agree. But fox hunting with dogs is gone and the public are against it. At least with shooting the public are still half on side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 20 hours ago, Dave-G said: I think its the most inhumane of blood sports to a creature that is capable of being aware of a threat on their life. No, that would be coarse angling. Think about it 😉 And why use the term 'blood sports'? Do you only shoot clays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Penelope said: No, that would be coarse angling. Think about it 😉 And why use the term 'blood sports'? Do you only shoot clays? NOPE - never have. Blood sports sounds very much to me like taking blood for sporting purposes rather than food. Today's general public don't take kindly to that, and asking me that question could lead to me indicating what I have seen laying in fields after a shoot... which you'd probably rather I not disclose. I'm realistic enough in my old age to accept that hounding to exhaustion then viciously ripping an animal to death for no food gain is a difficult thing to justify. Edited November 20 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 1 hour ago, Dave-G said: NOPE - never have. Blood sports sounds very much to me like taking blood for sporting purposes rather than food. Today's general public don't take kindly to that, and asking me that question could lead to me indicating what I have seen laying in fields after a shoot... which you'd probably rather I not disclose. I'm realistic enough in my old age to accept that hounding to exhaustion then viciously ripping an animal to death for no food gain is a difficult thing to justify. So you have only every killed anything to eat and absoluetly no other reason? So I take it that youare opposed to all driven game shooting, wildfowling, pigeon shooting, etc, etc, 'cause I'd say the vast majority do not do it for soley food purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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