Vince Green Posted December 4 Report Share Posted December 4 Barnier was no friend to Britain but it is not in Britain's interest to see him go. The in fighting will now start and it will go on and on and Germany is going rapidly the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: Barnier was no friend to Britain but it is not in Britain's interest to see him go. The in fighting will now start and it will go on and on and Germany is going rapidly the same way. The two biggest protagonists of the intended EU superstate methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 16 hours ago, JKD said: The title should be,,,,, "THE WHOLE WORLD, going down the plughole, soon !" Sadly, I think you are correct. Is anywhere doing well at the moment? Life continues in this corner of the world, but the economy is screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 I was a kid in the UK in the 1980s. The threat of nuclear war and IRA terrorism meant that there was always a slight feeling of unease. Then the Cold War and The Troubles ended (more or less). By the turn of the century, as a young adult, it felt like the world was moving in the right direction. Somehow we ended up where we are now. Maybe pessimism just comes with age, but instability, whether economic, political or social seems to be the norm and let's not forget the awful wars that are currently in progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 by all accounts there is more to come.....Macron considers himself safe at present.....but other "actors" are after him to close his tenure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 3 hours ago, Houseplant said: Is anywhere doing well at the moment? Ireland... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 3 hours ago, Houseplant said: Sadly, I think you are correct. Is anywhere doing well at the moment? Life continues in this corner of the world, but the economy is screwed. Sadly, the planet is way overpopulated,,,, and fundamentally I think that is the main cause of all the other issues, except for wars - they will always happen, due to the many complexities of human nature 🤦♂️🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 5 Author Report Share Posted December 5 Barnier lost the confidence vote then........................ https://www.politico.eu/article/france-government-collapse-michel-barnier-emmanuel-macron/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agriv8 Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 BBC article Interesting read background to the France issues Agriv8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 5 Author Report Share Posted December 5 And more from the BBC; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyd5j0dwkno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 6 Author Report Share Posted December 6 From Euro News Marine Le Pen wrote on X (formerly Twitter). "A quick reminder to President Macron, who is supposed to be the guarantor of the Constitution: a no-confidence vote is not anti-Republican, it is enshrined in the Constitution of our Fifth Republic." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 On 04/12/2024 at 22:38, Vince Green said: Barnier was no friend to Britain but it is not in Britain's interest to see him go. The in fighting will now start and it will go on and on and Germany is going rapidly the same way. ^^^^^ This. My wife said they could never restructure business in France or Germany. Too much workers rights protection. Maybe we get a a renewed European trade block. Whatever its certainly going to be painful for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 1 hour ago, oowee said: ^^^^^ This. My wife said they could never restructure business in France or Germany. Too much workers rights protection. Maybe we get a a renewed European trade block. Whatever its certainly going to be painful for us. France, Germany and the EU have all got the same flaws in their political setup. The nieve belief that people will pull together for the community and set aside their self interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 (edited) 7 hours ago, Vince Green said: France, Germany and the EU have all got the same flaws in their political setup. The nieve belief that people will pull together for the community and set aside their self interests. And that in a nutshell is why the EU in its current wide federal form can never work. Trading club great, but all the rules and red tape (which everyone is obliged to agree to but Germany and France can ignore at will) no thanks. Edited December 6 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 Just now, Mungler said: And that in a nutshell is why the EU in its current wide federal form can never work. Trading club great, but all the rules and red tape (which everyone is obliged to agree to but Germany and France can ignore at will) no thanks. Even a (tarriff free) trading club doesn't look as good as it sounds. Tarriff free unrestricted markets only benefits the seller nation. The buyer nation loses the right to charge import tax to protect its own industries and control its borders. The reality is that only countries that are net sellers in the EU are France and Germany, all the others ( including GB in the last few years of our membership ) are net importers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 3 hours ago, Vince Green said: Even a (tarriff free) trading club doesn't look as good as it sounds. Tarriff free unrestricted markets only benefits the seller nation. The buyer nation loses the right to charge import tax to protect its own industries and control its borders. The reality is that only countries that are net sellers in the EU are France and Germany, all the others ( including GB in the last few years of our membership ) are net importers. Agreed. That’s why the mega manufacturing Germans of yesteryear (not so much now) were so keen on it - common currency, export all across Europe with ease etc. I couldn’t understand why the French cosied up with the Germans for so long - I suppose it’s because it suited them. Big pack of cards that has to come down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 45 minutes ago, Mungler said: ........I couldn’t understand why the French cosied up with the Germans for so long - I suppose it’s because it suited them. ........ Well, they were always up for a bit of collaboration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 7 Report Share Posted December 7 18 hours ago, amateur said: Well, they were always up for a bit of collaboration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 7 Report Share Posted December 7 (edited) 22 hours ago, Vince Green said: The reality is that only countries that are net sellers in the EU are France and Germany, all the others ( including GB in the last few years of our membership ) are net importers. ignore what i was about to say. just looked up the answer. 🙂 Edited December 7 by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted December 7 Report Share Posted December 7 On 06/12/2024 at 08:30, oowee said: ^^^^^ This. My wife said they could never restructure business in France or Germany. Too much workers rights protection. Maybe we get a a renewed European trade block. Whatever its certainly going to be painful for us. You mean like Raynor is bringing in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted December 7 Report Share Posted December 7 As an aside, the speed with which the French state rebuilt Notre Dame is impressive. They used traditional skills craftsmen, whose retained knowledge will benefit all similar restoration projects across Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 It’s soon going to be a good time to buy French property, especially if the Euro takes a knock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 Great to see the standing ovation for Zelinsky with Trump in the audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 Ah warm words and a standing ovation, that’s nearly as good and useful as money and full military support but not quite eh? Indeed, the recent years have shown that you can’t turn signalled support into actual support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 21 hours ago, Flashman said: As an aside, the speed with which the French state rebuilt Notre Dame is impressive. They used traditional skills craftsmen, whose retained knowledge will benefit all similar restoration projects across Europe. totally agree with you.....but on the other side of the coin off the beaten unimportant track.....other very old historical churches and buildings are still standing with the help of 2nd rate RSJ's welded together...as money is not forthcoming from anywhere to maitain these historical structures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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