Penelope Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 22 minutes ago, Rewulf said: There is another aspect of asylum/migration that has recently come to light, the admission that its all been planned that way, I was going to post this in 'Channel Migrants' but Ill leave it here. Contains some swearing* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4gBMcVS0gY&t=965s Note the disclaimer at the top of the video, kindly provided by Youtube. The Great Replacement (French: grand remplacement), also known as replacement theory or great replacement theory,[1][2][3] is a white nationalist[4] far-right conspiracy theory[3][5][6][7] espoused by French author Renaud Camus. The original theory states that, with the complicity or cooperation of "replacist" elites,[a][5][8] the ethnic French and white European populations at large are being demographically and culturally replaced by non-white peoples—especially from Muslim-majority countries—through mass migration, demographic growth and a drop in the birth rate of white Europeans.[5][9][10] Since then, similar claims have been advanced in other national contexts, notably in the United States.[11] Mainstream scholars have dismissed these claims of a conspiracy of "replacist" elites as rooted in a misunderstanding of demographic statistics and premised upon an unscientific, racist worldview.[12][13][14] According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, the Great Replacement "has been widely ridiculed for its blatant absurdity."[3] Victor Orban, Oowee will claim Nazi on that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 15 minutes ago, Penelope said: The theory has been around for some time now. Its not a theory if its happening (right before our eyes) Goes right back to the architect of the EU , Kalergi The Kalergi Plan, sometimes called the Coudenhove-Kalergi Conspiracy,[1] is a debunked far-right, antisemitic, white genocide conspiracy theory.[2][3] The theory claims that Austrian-Japanese politician Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi, creator of the Paneuropean Union, concocted a plot to mix and replace white Europeans with other races via immigration.[4] The conspiracy theory is most often associated with European groups and parties, but it has also spread to North American politics.[5] Origins The conspiracy theory stems from a section of Kalergi's 1925 book Praktischer Idealismus ("Practical Idealism"), in which he predicted that a mixed race of the future would arise: "The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes[a] will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals."[1][6] Modern far-right individuals seek to draw relationships between contemporary European policy-making and this quote.[1] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 7 hours ago, Mungler said: I can see that. Where are you on off shore processing (eg Rwanda) and failing that leaving the ECHR (assuming partial exclusion and ‘grey’ will just create more work for the human rights brigade)? Indeed, having Rwanda ready to go right now would have been quite handy. Pity Starmer needlessly abandoned it out of vanity, ideology and spite. I’m ok with offshore but would have liked to see something literally offshore (middle of the channel) as a holding station for claims. A former girlfriend was a UNHCR refugee evaluation officer from Nairobi, which may have altered my perspective, but I don’t think it’s ethical to punt people to a country / regime where we already grant people from there legitimate refugee status. Regarding the EHCR, no strong feelings about it either way but if we scrapped it I’d like to see alternative legislation put in place for the non immigration related articles in order to protect our own. I’m very much a believer in begging forgiveness after the event rather than seeking approval prior, so I’d just waive the articles that act against our interests on immigration and see what happens, what they gonna do, expel us 😉 6 hours ago, Mungler said: What does undesirable look like to you? To me it’s anyone with any form of criminal past (which we should assume is not easily discoverable) and anyone who doesn’t present as a net contributor (we already have enough non net contributors to go around). Aligned with this 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: There should be. Selecting what country you want to go to, holiday brochure style, is inherently wrong. Thats clearly incorrect, its been used widely, as has been pretending to be gay. And if its an accepted asylum reason, its going to be abused, as there is literally no way of checking. And this is where the ECHR comes into play, it enables abuse of the system. Being persecuted for christian beliefs is grounds for an asylum, but that claim alone is not enough without evidence. Claims alone will not cut it. Stories have to be backed up with evidence even without papers. Stories are cross checked with names, places other witnesses, similar claim stories, etc etc. Simply saying i am x and have suffered is not enough. Requiring asylum seekers to be net contributors is to deny asylum for it's own ends. Edited December 10 by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 1 minute ago, oowee said: Being persecuted for christian beliefs is grounds for an asylum, but that claim alone is not enough without evidence. Claims alone will not cut it. Stories have to be backed up with evidence even without papers. Stories are cross checked with names, places other witnesses, similar claim stories, etc etc. Simply saying i am x and have suffered is not enough. This is how it is in Kenya, Egypt, South Africa and Niger but I have no idea if and how that is done in UK UNHCR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 13 minutes ago, oowee said: Being persecuted for christian beliefs is grounds for an asylum, but that claim alone is not enough without evidence. How are they going to check those claims ? Send a civil servant over to their remote war torn village (where they claim to be from) and ask the local warlord if Mohammed was gay/Christian ? The very fact they ticked the box, gives the applicant time to stay in the UK and build a case that sending them home would be detrimental to their safety. Then they 'meet' a girl/boy, buy a cat, and the ECHR rules give them right to family life in the UK. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6360116/Immigrant-allowed-to-stay-because-of-pet-cat.html The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) protects the right to respect for family life through Article 8 of the convention: Article 8 Right Everyone has the right to respect for their private and family life, home, and correspondence Exceptions Public authorities can interfere with this right if it's necessary in a democratic society for national security, public safety, or other reasons The right to family life includes: The rights of parents to have custody and contact with their children The rights of children to be with their parents The relationships between unmarried couples, adopted children and their adoptive parents, and foster children and their foster parents The European Court of Human Rights helps to protect families from being unlawfully separated. For example, the court can help parents recover abducted children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 Just now, Rewulf said: How are they going to check those claims ? Send a civil servant over to their remote war torn village (where they claim to be from) and ask the local warlord if Mohammed was gay/Christian ? The very fact they ticked the box, gives the applicant time to stay in the UK and build a case that sending them home would be detrimental to their safety. Then they 'meet' a girl/boy, buy a cat, and the ECHR rules give them right to family life in the UK. Check their claim with someone from the same town. Someone else that can name the same perps, others that have the same experience, check their knowledge of the subject use some imagination. The very fact that their is no resource to bring the case quickly to conclusion does not make the role and purpose of ECHR wrong. It's another case of blaming everyone and everything else for our failings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 8 minutes ago, oowee said: Check their claim with someone from the same town. How ? 'My town is occupied by ISIS, give them a call' 'Give Ahmed a call on this number, hes my boyfriend in Eritrea, he'll tell you Im definitely gay' Are you actually joking ? All these things will have been tried and more, and if the 'proof' is inconclusive, the nice people at the HO cannot possibly send them back if their safety is in question. There are teams of legally trained ex asylum claimants who will advise freshies on how to beat the system, and stay in the UK.. FACT. https://iasservices.org.uk/claiming-asylum/#:~:text=To claim asylum in the,to book a screening interview. https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/our-work/help-for-people-seeking-asylum/ https://www.refugee-action.org.uk/what-we-do/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 5 minutes ago, Rewulf said: How ? 'My town is occupied by ISIS, give them a call' 'Give Ahmed a call on this number, hes my boyfriend in Eritrea, he'll tell you Im definitely gay' Are you actually joking ? All these things will have been tried and more, and if the 'proof' is inconclusive, the nice people at the HO cannot possibly send them back if their safety is in question. There are teams of legally trained ex asylum claimants who will advise freshies on how to beat the system, and stay in the UK.. FACT. https://iasservices.org.uk/claiming-asylum/#:~:text=To claim asylum in the,to book a screening interview. https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/our-work/help-for-people-seeking-asylum/ https://www.refugee-action.org.uk/what-we-do/ 🤣 How do we send any back? How did the EU send back over 110000 🤣 Maybe they know something we don't? You wonder how we catch any crims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 15 minutes ago, oowee said: 🤣 How do we send any back? How did the EU send back over 110000 🤣 Maybe they know something we don't? You wonder how we catch any crims. Its my understanding migrants keep their documents till they are well underway on the dingies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 2 minutes ago, Dave-G said: Its my understanding migrants keep their documents till they are well underway on the dingies. I suspect most keep what doc's they have and certainly keep there mobile phone which will likely have pictures, tracking records etc. It must also be true that some of those fleeing for their lives may have nothing. I guess those that have money for a boat ride will be better organised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 32 minutes ago, oowee said: How do we send any back? Because some of them make mistakes, or get found out in their lies. Most of the Albanians got sent back because the information they received on how to get asylum granted was inaccurate (apparently owing someone money back home wasnt a viable reason 😆) Many had already made asylum claims in other countries, then either failed and were due for deportation or committed crimes, so they moved to the softer UK, unfortunately for them, they had to give biometrics in the other country , so were found out when the false name they provided proved false, lots of reasons why theyre sent back, but one fact remains... 75 % of asylum applicants in the UK get to stay, compared to 25 % in France 10 minutes ago, oowee said: I guess those that have money for a boat ride will be better organised. And there you have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 1 minute ago, Rewulf said: Because some of them make mistakes, or get found out in their lies. Most of the Albanians got sent back because the information they received on how to get asylum granted was inaccurate (apparently owing someone money back home wasnt a viable reason 😆) Many had already made asylum claims in other countries, then either failed and were due for deportation or committed crimes, so they moved to the softer UK, unfortunately for them, they had to give biometrics in the other country , so were found out when the false name they provided proved false, lots of reasons why theyre sent back, but one fact remains... 75 % of asylum applicants in the UK get to stay, compared to 25 % in France And there you have it. Then you have proven the point. If France can do it so can we. Same rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 39 minutes ago, oowee said: If France can do it so can we. Same rules. Clearly not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 19 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Clearly not. You have to allow for the civil service and judiciary having been stuffed with lefties by Blair, as a vote grabbing exercise, to enable all of this to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 I think that we have all ascertained that any immigration policy left to the likes of Oowee will result in our being overrun by undesirable non contributing economic migrants who by any objective and rational definition outside of a closed circle of hand-wringers, cannot be asylum seekers with any intention of ever returning to their home lands - and which is where we currently are and shall remain. Tough decisions and tougher policies are now a necessary; watch more politicians start to sound like Farage from twenty years ago (but twenty years too late). Politicians will soon learn that their priority has to be the electorate and the people who put them in power and pay their wages. 1 hour ago, amateur said: You have to allow for the civil service and judiciary having been stuffed with lefties by Blair, as a vote grabbing exercise, to enable all of this to happen. You know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 14 hours ago, amateur said: You have to allow for the civil service and judiciary having been stuffed with lefties by Blair, as a vote grabbing exercise, to enable all of this to happen. That's happened in all institutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 13 Author Report Share Posted December 13 saw footage of celibration friday gathering in Syria.....which included thousands of brightly coloured clad women ceibrating with their familes....... i hope this non subjugation continues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 I wonder where Shamima Begum is now? Clacton on sea possibly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 14 Author Report Share Posted December 14 2 hours ago, old man said: I wonder where Shamima Begum is now? Clacton on sea possibly? putting heads in the recycling bin i hope....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B686 Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 2 hours ago, old man said: I wonder where Shamima Begum is now? Clacton on sea possibly? Shame it isn’t 6ft under. We can only live in hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 As long as she NEVER gets back to the country she betrayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 Likely in a rubber dinghy as we speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 23 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: As long as she NEVER gets back to the country she betrayed. 8 minutes ago, London Best said: Likely in a rubber dinghy as we speak. She could always claim asylum here 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 21 minutes ago, Rewulf said: She could always claim asylum here 😆 she would “drown” during crossing the fact putting her on trial wouid cost peanuts compared to the millions spent keep her out speaks for itself maybe donkeys just don’t think when braying! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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