Say good bye to lead shot, HSE report.

[rbrowning2]

Possibly five years, may be less, then total ban on all lead shot.

https://www.hse.gov.uk/reach/restrictions/rr-aavi-0821.pdf

 

 

Edited Saturday at 07:56 by rbrowning2

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Your link doesn't work for me.

[Scully]

11 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Your link doesn't work for me.

Click on link, page turns black, then click on link again. See if that works? 👍
124 pages so will have a read when I get back from shoot. 
 

[Smokersmith]

This is the money shot

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Thanks for the suggestion, I've tried that, not getting anything other than the black page and the small green square.

This might work;

https://press.hse.gov.uk/2024/12/13/statement-on-hse-proposals-to-restrict-use-of-lead-ammunition-in-great-britain/

 

 

[rbrowning2]

26 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Your link doesn't work for me.

Have updated the link, hopefully works now.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

6 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said:

Have updated the link, hopefully works now.

Yes it does now, thank you.   

[Scully]

Had a quick scan but nothing I can see which contains any more logic than previous proposals. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

I will now be changing my approach and will actively seek to attain OLYMPIC levels of shooting and while training I can justify using lead shot.  

[holloway]

I have scanned through it quickly and this paragraph has jumped out ,low compliance as tested on Wildfowl from birds tested from game dealers .

As we know wildfowlers do not sell there bags and a large amount are club managed ,compliance is in my opinion very high ,therefore a ban on lead will be of no significance to the countries wildfowlers.

  As for game shooters who have been whining about a ban since this report was instigated it seems a few have f**@@d it up for all of the rest ,the government have used the only evidence they could use although we all know its not an accurate picture .

[Sweet11-87]

far too vague parameters. ill start worrying about it when it starts actually happening. weve been on this merry go round for years and even the BASC launched voluntary  transition has been and gone and changed little

Edited Saturday at 10:43 by Sweet11-87

[wymberley]

Fortunately, at my age it'll be the other way around in as much as lead shot will be saying goodbye to me.

[islandgun]

I wonder if the Gov will buy back all the guns that are unsuitable for steel at realistic prices, or perhaps subsidise bismuth to affordable levels...hmmm i wonder

[enfieldspares]

Effectively a ban proposed on all use of lead shot in shotguns for any live quarry shooting and any live pigeon shooting with de facto no exemptions or exceptions:

https://www.hse.gov.uk/reach/restrictions/rr-aavi-0821.pdf

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Already on the go...................

 

[ditchman]

will our forces be forced to use none-lead ammo ..on the battlefield...so it will be eco friendly killing...

[islandgun]

11 minutes ago, ditchman said:

will our forces be forced to use none-lead ammo ..on the battlefield...so it will be eco friendly killing...

Live game ?

[ditchman]

Just now, islandgun said:

Live game ?

"oh my god ..ive been shot ..ahhh ive been shot ...im goina to die....."......"look on the bright side trooper  look on the bright side "

"what bright side ...im dieing "

"its non-toxic trooper non-toxic"

[enfieldspares]

29 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Already on the go...................

 

Thanks. Didn't see it. 

[enfieldspares]

I posted this on another forum I belong to:

Also as the UK is such a small market I think American bullet makers will tell the UK to "take a running jump" about the proposal that lead target bullets over 6.17mm calibre be marked on the box as required below (see p.12):
 

https://www.hse.gov.uk/reach/restrictions/rr-aavi-0821.pdf

A labelling requirement has been proposed for large calibre bullets used for target shooting
Following the proposal to restrict large calibre bullets for live quarry shooting, large calibre bullets for target shooting which remain on the market lawfully for that use will require a label specifying that those bullets are not to be used for live quarry shooting.

Leads us to this cloud cuckoo land think (see p.18):

Labelling of large calibre bullets for target shooting
Given the potential for misuse of “target shooting” bullets for live quarry shooting, additional labelling is proposed to aid in the enforcement of the restriction on large calibre bullets for live quarry shooting.

The packaging, as defined in GB CLP, of large calibre bullets that are placed on the market for the purposes of outdoor target shooting, or uses outside the scope of this restriction (such as indoor target shooting), shall bear a label indicating:

“Must not be used for live quarry shooting.”

The label should be indelible, clear and legible to customers at the point of sale (including on any product page for online sales). These details should be visibly distinct from the rest of the information included on the packaging. Given that large calibre bullets for civilian use are mostly imported, costs associated with labelling are expected to fall upon non-GB suppliers, as such they would not be considered as part of a GB impact assessment. In any event, any costs relating to the implementation of a simple label are expected to be low.

The last sentences (I have underlined them) are this cloud cuckoo think. Simply I think that the USA bullet makers will simply not change their box printing and labelling to suit the proposed nonsense and will, as I have suggested, merely walk away from the UK market.

I assume that the author of this labelling nonsense made no enquiry of the America SAAMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute) about their response to such labelling being required?

[rbrowning2]

about as effective as the labels on cigarette packs, smoking kills, but many still smoke.

Then if that works for bullets, why not allow lead shot within the very small area of land used by bonafide clay grounds, with suitable labels, 

“Must not be used for live quarry shooting.”

 

[Weihrauch17]

1 hour ago, enfieldspares said:

Effectively a ban proposed on all use of lead shot in shotguns for any live quarry shooting and any live pigeon shooting with de facto no exemptions or exceptions:

https://www.hse.gov.uk/reach/restrictions/rr-aavi-0821.pdf

Clay Shooting as well for the Plebs as I read it?

Edited Saturday at 18:26 by Weihrauch17

[enfieldspares]

2 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Clay Shooting as well for the Plebs as I read it?

Ah but with exemptions for a self-appointed coterie of "international athletes" for clay shooting. Just like the handgun ban had such. The "I'm alright Jack" attitude that all are equal but some are more equal than others. It stinks IMHO if such people effectively take the exemption.

[Weihrauch17]

Just now, enfieldspares said:

Ah but with exemptions for a self-appointed coterie of "international athletes" for clay shooting. Just like the handgun ban had such. The "I'm alright Jack" attitude that all are equal but some are more equal than others. It stinks IMHO if such people effectively take the exemption.

Totally agree.  

[Scully]

8 hours ago, holloway said:

I have scanned through it quickly and this paragraph has jumped out ,low compliance as tested on Wildfowl from birds tested from game dealers .

As we know wildfowlers do not sell there bags and a large amount are club managed ,compliance is in my opinion very high ,therefore a ban on lead will be of no significance to the countries wildfowlers.

  As for game shooters who have been whining about a ban since this report was instigated it seems a few have f**@@d it up for all of the rest ,the government have used the only evidence they could use although we all know its not an accurate picture .

I would suggest the shooting of ducks with lead - on driven pheasant shoots anyhow -  has been going on for years ( In England at least ) as the legislation defies all logic given its intent, which 
was to stop ducks from ingesting spent lead shot. How that was supposed to work on a driven pheasant shoot is anybody’s guess. 
There is an agenda at work here which has very little to do with minimising the risk to flora/fauna and human health. 
If the general public won’t eat anything shot with lead, I’m not too sure how much keener they will be to eat it shot with non-toxic shot. Will sales rocket as a result? 
If game is in such high demand, then I’m pretty sure someone would have started farming it by now, that way it wouldn’t contain shot of any kind. 🤷‍♂️