rbrowning2 Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 (edited) Possibly five years, may be less, then total ban on all lead shot. https://www.hse.gov.uk/reach/restrictions/rr-aavi-0821.pdf Edited December 14 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 Your link doesn't work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 11 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Your link doesn't work for me. Click on link, page turns black, then click on link again. See if that works? 👍 124 pages so will have a read when I get back from shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 This is the money shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 Thanks for the suggestion, I've tried that, not getting anything other than the black page and the small green square. This might work; https://press.hse.gov.uk/2024/12/13/statement-on-hse-proposals-to-restrict-use-of-lead-ammunition-in-great-britain/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted December 14 Author Report Share Posted December 14 26 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Your link doesn't work for me. Have updated the link, hopefully works now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 6 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: Have updated the link, hopefully works now. Yes it does now, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 Had a quick scan but nothing I can see which contains any more logic than previous proposals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 I will now be changing my approach and will actively seek to attain OLYMPIC levels of shooting and while training I can justify using lead shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 I have scanned through it quickly and this paragraph has jumped out ,low compliance as tested on Wildfowl from birds tested from game dealers . As we know wildfowlers do not sell there bags and a large amount are club managed ,compliance is in my opinion very high ,therefore a ban on lead will be of no significance to the countries wildfowlers. As for game shooters who have been whining about a ban since this report was instigated it seems a few have f**@@d it up for all of the rest ,the government have used the only evidence they could use although we all know its not an accurate picture . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet11-87 Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 (edited) far too vague parameters. ill start worrying about it when it starts actually happening. weve been on this merry go round for years and even the BASC launched voluntary transition has been and gone and changed little Edited December 14 by Sweet11-87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 Fortunately, at my age it'll be the other way around in as much as lead shot will be saying goodbye to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 I wonder if the Gov will buy back all the guns that are unsuitable for steel at realistic prices, or perhaps subsidise bismuth to affordable levels...hmmm i wonder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 Effectively a ban proposed on all use of lead shot in shotguns for any live quarry shooting and any live pigeon shooting with de facto no exemptions or exceptions: https://www.hse.gov.uk/reach/restrictions/rr-aavi-0821.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 Already on the go................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 will our forces be forced to use none-lead ammo ..on the battlefield...so it will be eco friendly killing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 11 minutes ago, ditchman said: will our forces be forced to use none-lead ammo ..on the battlefield...so it will be eco friendly killing... Live game ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 Just now, islandgun said: Live game ? "oh my god ..ive been shot ..ahhh ive been shot ...im goina to die....."......"look on the bright side trooper look on the bright side " "what bright side ...im dieing " "its non-toxic trooper non-toxic" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 29 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Already on the go................... Thanks. Didn't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 I posted this on another forum I belong to: Also as the UK is such a small market I think American bullet makers will tell the UK to "take a running jump" about the proposal that lead target bullets over 6.17mm calibre be marked on the box as required below (see p.12): https://www.hse.gov.uk/reach/restrictions/rr-aavi-0821.pdf A labelling requirement has been proposed for large calibre bullets used for target shootingFollowing the proposal to restrict large calibre bullets for live quarry shooting, large calibre bullets for target shooting which remain on the market lawfully for that use will require a label specifying that those bullets are not to be used for live quarry shooting.Leads us to this cloud cuckoo land think (see p.18):Labelling of large calibre bullets for target shootingGiven the potential for misuse of “target shooting” bullets for live quarry shooting, additional labelling is proposed to aid in the enforcement of the restriction on large calibre bullets for live quarry shooting.The packaging, as defined in GB CLP, of large calibre bullets that are placed on the market for the purposes of outdoor target shooting, or uses outside the scope of this restriction (such as indoor target shooting), shall bear a label indicating:“Must not be used for live quarry shooting.”The label should be indelible, clear and legible to customers at the point of sale (including on any product page for online sales). These details should be visibly distinct from the rest of the information included on the packaging. Given that large calibre bullets for civilian use are mostly imported, costs associated with labelling are expected to fall upon non-GB suppliers, as such they would not be considered as part of a GB impact assessment. In any event, any costs relating to the implementation of a simple label are expected to be low.The last sentences (I have underlined them) are this cloud cuckoo think. Simply I think that the USA bullet makers will simply not change their box printing and labelling to suit the proposed nonsense and will, as I have suggested, merely walk away from the UK market.I assume that the author of this labelling nonsense made no enquiry of the America SAAMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute) about their response to such labelling being required? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted December 14 Author Report Share Posted December 14 about as effective as the labels on cigarette packs, smoking kills, but many still smoke. Then if that works for bullets, why not allow lead shot within the very small area of land used by bonafide clay grounds, with suitable labels, “Must not be used for live quarry shooting.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, enfieldspares said: Effectively a ban proposed on all use of lead shot in shotguns for any live quarry shooting and any live pigeon shooting with de facto no exemptions or exceptions: https://www.hse.gov.uk/reach/restrictions/rr-aavi-0821.pdf Clay Shooting as well for the Plebs as I read it? Edited December 14 by Weihrauch17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 2 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: Clay Shooting as well for the Plebs as I read it? Ah but with exemptions for a self-appointed coterie of "international athletes" for clay shooting. Just like the handgun ban had such. The "I'm alright Jack" attitude that all are equal but some are more equal than others. It stinks IMHO if such people effectively take the exemption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 Just now, enfieldspares said: Ah but with exemptions for a self-appointed coterie of "international athletes" for clay shooting. Just like the handgun ban had such. The "I'm alright Jack" attitude that all are equal but some are more equal than others. It stinks IMHO if such people effectively take the exemption. Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 8 hours ago, holloway said: I have scanned through it quickly and this paragraph has jumped out ,low compliance as tested on Wildfowl from birds tested from game dealers . As we know wildfowlers do not sell there bags and a large amount are club managed ,compliance is in my opinion very high ,therefore a ban on lead will be of no significance to the countries wildfowlers. As for game shooters who have been whining about a ban since this report was instigated it seems a few have f**@@d it up for all of the rest ,the government have used the only evidence they could use although we all know its not an accurate picture . I would suggest the shooting of ducks with lead - on driven pheasant shoots anyhow - has been going on for years ( In England at least ) as the legislation defies all logic given its intent, which was to stop ducks from ingesting spent lead shot. How that was supposed to work on a driven pheasant shoot is anybody’s guess. There is an agenda at work here which has very little to do with minimising the risk to flora/fauna and human health. If the general public won’t eat anything shot with lead, I’m not too sure how much keener they will be to eat it shot with non-toxic shot. Will sales rocket as a result? If game is in such high demand, then I’m pretty sure someone would have started farming it by now, that way it wouldn’t contain shot of any kind. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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