Here we go.

[Scully]

9 minutes ago, Krico woodcock said:

I'd say it most definitely could happen.. here in Ireland the firearms licencing changed in circa 2009.  Prior to  that Our guns were always licensed individually,  so first gun was €26 and every gun after that was €6, all done annually. So for example 4 guns to license would cost €44. Then they changed it,with a whole pile of not necessary paperwork to apply for a new and renewal,  at at a cost of €80 per firearm, but changed to a 3 year license.  So now it went from €44 per annum for 4 guns ×3 = €132 to the  new and more complex and far less efficient license system to cost €320 for 3 year license.. it doesn't have to make sense for the power to be to make a cluster **** of everything.  No matter where you live. 

Anythings possible I suppose, but our licensing authorities can hardly cope with one license per applicant, so I fail to see how they could handle multiple licenses.

At the rate our licensing authorities are currently going they simply couldn’t handle the increased workload and the entire process would collapse. 
The OP hasn’t stated where he got this news from. 🤷‍♂️

Edited December 31, 2024 by Scully

[rbrowning2]

8 hours ago, Scully said:

Anythings possible I suppose, but our licensing authorities can hardly cope with one license per applicant, so I fail to see how they could handle multiple licenses.

At the rate our licensing authorities are currently going they simply couldn’t handle the increased workload and the entire process would collapse. 
The OP hasn’t stated where he got this news from. 🤷‍♂️

Think the man in Ireland is not suggesting multiple licences simply one licence but you pay for each gun on the licence.

That would be easy to implement.

Then there was the suggestion to do away with section 2 and make all guns section 1.  

Whatever they do we will have little choice but to go along with it.

Good to see the government has already dumped the pre election manifesto where they stated full cost recovery of licensing fees £20 million was to pay for knife crime initiatives. They are just not to be trusted.

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

13 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said:

Whatever they do we will have little choice but to go along with it.

Good to see the government has already dumped the pre election manifesto where they stated full cost recovery of licensing fees £20 million was to pay for knife crime initiatives. They are just not to be trusted.

Have they? It seems very much the intention of the government to bring it in.

[old man]

On 17/12/2024 at 20:39, BobbyH said:

Why is the firearm sector taking such a huge friggin hit!?

Leas ban, Gun tax….. What else!?

Anything they can dream up sadly?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

https://basc.org.uk/basc-warns-against-fee-increase-without-licensing-reform/

[mossy835]

depends on the price but a lot will give up shooting.

[ShootingEgg]

2 hours ago, rbrowning2 said:

Whatever they do we will have little choice but to go along with it.

This pretty much sums it up, once what ever they do is done. It will be a case of pay or give up... 

I agree the current service is poor. But then under £100 for 5 years isn't a bad deal.  they need to look at it properly and not just pluck a figure out of no where which seems to be what they have done.

[cyberduck]

A proper computerised system, that RFDs access when guns sold/bought, would massively reduce the workload of FLUs.  People can be flagged for review when transactions happen, if required, otherwise, let RFDs handle the slots.

What use is it having an FLU have the administrative burden of adding/removing firearms they have already given authorisation for. Pointless waste of time.

For private transactions, you can go to an RFD to have them process it, or do it online (like now, but actually automated rather than just a form that requires manual processing).

Won't happen though, as that sort of IT system would require an investment of £millions that they won't consider.

And we all know the government's history with IT projects.  Just with this, they'd make us responsible for their failures.

Edited Wednesday at 09:35 by cyberduck

[Red carp]

In my opinion the main objective by the Government is to discourage gun ownership in the UK & raising the certificate price will without a shadow of a doubt make people give up shooting but I can tell you not many youngsters will take up shooting. It’s now becoming a wealthy man’s hobby.

[Scully]

3 hours ago, rbrowning2 said:

Think the man in Ireland is not suggesting multiple licences simply one licence but you pay for each gun on the licence.

That would be easy to implement.

Then there was the suggestion to do away with section 2 and make all guns section 1.  

Whatever they do we will have little choice but to go along with it.

Good to see the government has already dumped the pre election manifesto where they stated full cost recovery of licensing fees £20 million was to pay for knife crime initiatives. They are just not to be trusted.

 

Indeed. However, that isn’t what @Bigteddy1954 stated he had heard. He still hasn’t said where he got the info’. 

[Red carp]

£400 has been mentioned what if it goes up to £1,000 what can we do ? If you want to carry on shooting you will have to pay it simple, BASC is a total waste of money.

[Bigteddy1954]

28 minutes ago, Scully said:

Indeed. However, that isn’t what @Bigteddy1954 stated he had heard. He still hasn’t said where he got the info’. 

Hi scilly i have mentioned where I heard it. I put a link to it in a previous post .cheers

Sorry scilly auto correct 

Scully  

[Scully]

3 minutes ago, Bigteddy1954 said:

Hi scilly i have mentioned where I heard it. I put a link to it in a previous post .cheers

Sorry scilly auto correct 

Scully  

Thanks. I couldn’t  find any mention of individual licenses for each individual firearm. 

[Bigteddy1954]

3 minutes ago, Scully said:

Thanks. I couldn’t  find any mention of individual licenses for each individual firearm. 

Hi scully the policing minister Diana Johnson was interviewed on ways of licencing guns and cost .she said it  could be 1 licence or multi licences in the future that could be the way forward 

[Scully]

2 minutes ago, Bigteddy1954 said:

Hi scully the policing minister Diana Johnson was interviewed on ways of licencing guns and cost .she said it  could be 1 licence or multi licences in the future that could be the way forward 

Ok, but couldn’t find any mention of multiple licenses on the FS channel. 

[mossy835]

that will be the end of shooting for a very lot of people.

[Fellside]

Sorry late to this thread.

Just thought I should throw this in the mix. I have heard arguments that a £400 licence fee is justified - as the price has not increased for 10 years. It’s surprising how many believe this is justified. If you inflation link £50 (SGC renewal) from 10 years ago, using the Bank of England’s inflation calculator, you get £67. So that’s the inflation angle dispensed with. 

[armsid]

The way foeward is to have (a computerised system) as VOSA do for car mot testing but done by a body from all firearms sections of the shooting orgs. and police administered by people that know with a set of peramiters that are adhered to and not deviated to suit individual police agendas centrallised efficient rfd.s linked by computor just like an mot station .This could be done at arms length same as DVLA VOSA DEFRA etc 10 year duration         (22000 mot stations doing approx.10 tests daily) they cope on computerised system without too much trouble  Would something like this work?

[Conor O'Gorman]

1 hour ago, Bigteddy1954 said:

Hi scully the policing minister Diana Johnson was interviewed on ways of licencing guns and cost .she said it  could be 1 licence or multi licences in the future that could be the way forward 

The policing minister was not interviewed on Fieldsports Channel. At the start of the news item you linked to there was a screenshot from a 17 December written ministerial statement in Parliament on the Provisional Police Grant Report (England and Wales) 2025-26 by the Home Secretary which included the following:

"Firearms licensing fees have not increased since 2015 and are now significantly less than the cost of the service provided by police forces. This funding deficit is impacting the effectiveness of police firearms licensing controls and the crucial role they play in safeguarding the public. We therefore intend to lay a statutory instrument when parliamentary time allows to increase firearms licensing fees to provide full-cost recovery for police forces, in line with our manifesto commitment. The additional revenue raised will be retained by police forces to support the important improvements needed in firearms licensing".

Here is a direct link to the statement:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2024-12-17/hlws325

 

 

[Fisheruk]

37 minutes ago, mossy835 said:

that will be the end of shooting for a very lot of people.

If it goes to a multi gun license then there will be a lot of guns going for a chop and a lot of s/h gun cabinets coming on the market.

[Red carp]

2020 there were 586,351 shotgun certificates holders in the UK

2024 there were 495,798 shotgun certificate holders in the UK

that is a reduction of 90,551 certificate holders in the last 4 years & they can’t cope with the workload “BULL****”. It’s all a ploy by Starmers mob to remove firearms from the UK public 🤮

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 17:40 by Red carp

[rbrowning2]

9 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Have they? It seems very much the intention of the government to bring it in.

 

I ment they are now saying the money will go to the police rather than to the initiative to reduce knife crimes which was to put social type works in youth centres for example.

note I said police as no guarantee it will end up in the licensing departments.

Edited Wednesday at 16:46 by rbrowning2

[mossy835]

4 hours ago, Red carp said:

2020 there were 586,351 shotgun certificates holders in the UK

2024 there were 495,798 shotgun certificate holders in the UK

that is a reduction of 90,551 certificate holders in the last 4 years & they can’t cope with the workload “BULL****”. It’s all a ploy by Starmers mob to remove firearms from the UK public 🤮

 

 

 

 

and thats what its all about taken our guns.

[Sweet11-87]

even if they implemented this the glut of 1.5 mil shotguns needing to go on a new ticket would take a decade.   the current system simply couldn't support the workload and confusion it would create regardless of motive

Edited Wednesday at 19:51 by Sweet11-87

[PJ M]

The Police already make a profit from processing licences and if like me you pay council tax then you are paying for their services twice over.  And lets face it they do very little else for their money these days.

I don't see why, once issued a Shotgun licence shouldn't be for life. There is no reason whatsoever why it should have to be renewed every five years. You don't have to renew your driving licence every five years and we have seen quite recently how much carnage a car can cause when used in anger!