Scully Posted Thursday at 17:10 Report Share Posted Thursday at 17:10 3 hours ago, Fil said: You the certificate holder brings them to account. I'm sick of hearing people telling me they have been waiting months but don't like to say anything in case the feo gets offended and puts their application to the bottom of the pile. Uh uh. No. You are paying for a service, and at least as of Feb. you ARE paying for a service so hold them to account or nothing will get better. Be polite. Be respectful. But do hold them to account. Don't be afraid or it gets worse. As a gunmaker/gunsmith who's livelihood goes on stop when my RFD has run out because they are busy, I politely ask, "who do I send the invoice to for all lost revenue until I receive my certificate?" It soon appears. Believe me, I’m no shrinking violet when it comes to standing up to licensing, but you have to know your stuff. What I was referring to was a lack of effective representation. The thing that annoys me is that when fees increase and the level of service remains unfit for purpose, because that increase has been swallowed up by anything but licensing, no one will contact their MP, the media or anything, but will simply whinge and whine. I’m a glass half full person, but I also have over 40 years experience of frustrated firearms bureaucracy and related scepticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoe Posted Thursday at 17:42 Report Share Posted Thursday at 17:42 Just my luck, right before I need to do it. not as bad as the mortgage rates going up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Thursday at 17:45 Report Share Posted Thursday at 17:45 I wonder why it has hit Shot Gunners harder, the increase is not constant across all categories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted Thursday at 20:56 Report Share Posted Thursday at 20:56 My renewal is due march Firearms , Shotgun and airgun £70 in the middle of it just now only bad point was £50 for the doctors letter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted yesterday at 09:14 Report Share Posted yesterday at 09:14 15 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I wonder why it has hit Shot Gunners harder, the increase is not constant across all categories? More shogun licence holders I suppose equal More money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted yesterday at 10:09 Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:09 53 minutes ago, vmaxphil said: More shogun licence holders I suppose equal More money But surely it should have been even across the board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downforce Posted yesterday at 10:11 Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:11 16 hours ago, joejoe said: right before I need to do it. Even though there is a comment about 4 months being typical for a renewal most force areas have seen renewals take lots longer so I would suggest if you have a renewal coming up in the next 6-8 months I would be submitting it before 5 March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downforce Posted yesterday at 10:20 Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:20 (edited) 19 hours ago, Conor O'Gorman said: BASC update: Prompts the obvious question why was it basically "okay" before Covid and not since Covid? If the argument is that there's not enough money to supply and operate an effective service service and that's why the fees need to go up, irrespective of the amount of increase, there should be two key things happening 1) If more money is needed to fund firearms licensing then the money raised should only be used for firearms licensing (so there needs to be a process/accountability change there too) so effectively its ringfenced 2) Some forces publish their FL Department performance statistics quite happily - others don't. How can the Home Office assess how effective the service provided is without transparent statistics being available? Each issuing authority should be forced to publish quarterly stats (e.g. at the end of each quarter not 6 years after the fact). IMHO these two things should be front and centre of the thrust to get something back for the increase Edited yesterday at 10:21 by Downforce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted yesterday at 10:26 Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:26 5 minutes ago, Downforce said: Prompts the obvious question why was it basically "okay" before Covid and not since Covid? If the argument is that there's not enough money to supply and operate an effective service service and that's why the fees need to go up, irrespective of the amount of increase, there should be two key things happening 1) If more money is needed to fund firearms licensing then the money raised should only be used for firearms licensing (so there needs to be a process/accountability change there too) so effectively its ringfenced 2) Some forces publish their FL Department performance statistics quite happily - others don't. How can the Home Office assess how effective the service provided is without transparent statistics being available? Each issuing authority should be forced to publish quarterly stats (e.g. at the end of each quarter not 6 years after the fact). IMHO these two things should be front and centre of the thrust to get something back for the increase Because every department went on to LAZY TIME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted yesterday at 11:37 Report Share Posted yesterday at 11:37 Received a email today to inform me that from February 5th 2025 cost for the following Renewal Firearm Certificate £131 Renewal Shotgun Certificate £126 Coterminous Renewal Shotgun and Firearms Certificate £155 Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted yesterday at 11:38 Report Share Posted yesterday at 11:38 Which is what has been posted numerous times earlier in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_ Posted yesterday at 12:53 Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:53 I mean whilst I understand that price increases affect some more than others. As a £/year cost I think it's more than adequate given the costings of everything in todays world. However I would like to see a nationwide standard of turn around targets etc. and forces measured against nationwide KPIs. I also believe we all can't expect this to happen overnight, any improvements will take significant time as the funding etc trickles through (hopefully). Patience is key ladies and gentlemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightlittlebits Posted yesterday at 13:34 Report Share Posted yesterday at 13:34 39 minutes ago, Matt_ said: However I would like to see a nationwide standard of turn around targets etc. and forces measured against nationwide KPIs. Nothing quite as much as that but at least a little visibility, according to the countryside alliance at 2025 – what to expect from a shooting legislation point of ...: Quote In the next month the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) firearms lead DCC David Gardner is expected to publish a “league table” of the 43 police firearms licensing departments’ performance. The release of these data is hoped to help raise firearms licensing performance to a consistently good level across all 43 separate authorities, rather than the “postcode lottery” that it currently resembles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted yesterday at 13:36 Report Share Posted yesterday at 13:36 41 minutes ago, Matt_ said: I also believe we all can't expect this to happen overnight, any improvements will take significant time as the funding etc trickles through (hopefully). Patience is key ladies and gentlemen. We've waited patiently while it has gone down the plug hole, now charging more without addressing the problems is not going to solve the problems any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted yesterday at 14:02 Report Share Posted yesterday at 14:02 Now we are going to be paying full cost recovery prices, we should demand a certain level of service or a refund/discount. 8 weeks seems fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted yesterday at 14:37 Report Share Posted yesterday at 14:37 Looks that i got off light at £70 for my Coterminous cert But what got me was for my rifles and shotgun i could fill in the referees forms myself , but for the airgun i had to get my referee to fill it in themself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted yesterday at 16:58 Report Share Posted yesterday at 16:58 (edited) What happened to all the talk about removing moderators off certs. That alone would reduce the workload drastically. Afyer the initial removal work of course Edited yesterday at 16:58 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightlittlebits Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 7 hours ago, Newbie to this said: What happened to all the talk about removing moderators off certs. That alone would reduce the workload drastically. After the initial removal work of course The consultation is still outstanding, while they "are analysing your feedback". https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/firearms-licensing-sound-moderators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted 12 hours ago Report Share Posted 12 hours ago What troubles me is when will the next hike in prices be also is it a teaser to see how we react then next time bang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 2 hours ago, Rim Fire said: What troubles me is when will the next hike in prices be also is it a teaser to see how we react then next time bang I seriously doubt it will be of any concern as to how we react; we’ll just suck it up as usual. It’s not like we’re going to take to the streets in protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 16 minutes ago, Scully said: I seriously doubt it will be of any concern as to how we react; we’ll just suck it up as usual. It’s not like we’re going to take to the streets in protest. As it ever been any different with our lot? We like a good moan but most do very little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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