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Maxus Hunter

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Ok I don't usually post but have to add,I have a bettinsoli x trail camo that I bought new in 2015, since then i don't know how many thousands of steel shells I've put through it maybe 20 to 25,there's no real marks or scores on both barrels for me to worry about, only brand I haven't used is eley,I've shot everything from GB steel to gamebore 36 gram 1s and hull solway magnum steel 1s to the new dark storm 32gram 3s and all the others in-between,my gun will outlive me, yes it's not a dear gun but it's no different than when I bought it and I only shoot steel for 90% of my shooting.

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8 hours ago, Maxus Hunter said:

Ok I don't usually post but have to add,I have a bettinsoli x trail camo that I bought new in 2015, since then i don't know how many thousands of steel shells I've put through it maybe 20 to 25,there's no real marks or scores on both barrels for me to worry about, only brand I haven't used is eley,I've shot everything from GB steel to gamebore 36 gram 1s and hull solway magnum steel 1s to the new dark storm 32gram 3s and all the others in-between,my gun will outlive me, yes it's not a dear gun but it's no different than when I bought it and I only shoot steel for 90% of my shooting.

And so long as the wad does not fail you will more than likely put thousands more through the gun without issue.

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1 hour ago, DaveT said:

Has anyone used the Joker offerings? They seem well priced and a card wad would I hope break down as quickly as fibre would with lead loads.

The first generation wads did not provide sufficient bore protection.

The second generation look much better. I had a sample of them and they're tougher than clay and game's card cup wads, yet are much more consistently made and have a legitimate gas skirt which will really help obturation. 

Joker themselves are really on their game. They've made these wads for all bores, .410 to 10 gauge and they use said wads in their factory loads, including for tungsten shot. 

They should be available for home loaders in the near future. 

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2 minutes ago, Smudger687 said:

The first generation wads did not provide sufficient bore protection.

The second generation look much better. I had a sample of them and they're tougher than clay and game's card cup wads, yet are much more consistently made and have a legitimate gas skirt which will really help obturation. 

Joker themselves are really on their game. They've made these wads for all bores, .410 to 10 gauge and they use said wads in their factory loads, including for tungsten shot. 

They should be available for home loaders in the near future. 

Joker have been saying these wads will be available for the homeloaders for some time now…..

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31 minutes ago, Windswept said:

Is this the latest ones?

 

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/ammunition/jocker-bio-iso-steel-27-cartridge-126977/

No I believe those were the first generation. The latest generation are slit 8 ways from the factory and the gas skirts are not pleated.

Iirc the wall thickness of the new wad is 1.2mm and it takes more force to push a pellet through it than a clay and game cup wad.

I think the exterior diameter is wider than a clay and game wad too, so they'll be better in overbored barrels. 

25 minutes ago, edenman said:

Please let me know if and when you find out they are available to homeloaders please 🙏 

I shall drop you a message. 

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23 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said:

Iirc the wall thickness of the new wad is 1.2mm and it takes more force to push a pellet through it than a clay and game cup wad.

Think would be useful to see that tested rather than just an observation as the Clay and Game ones as used originally by Gamebore are constructed from very strong material. 

I did test it, I stuck a pellet on the wall and then crushed with pliers, you can feel the point where the wad gives way and the pellet goes through.

Admittedly it's not a quantitative test but I don't have access to any equipment that would give me a definite figure. Nonetheless, you can feel a clear difference between the two. 

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18 minutes ago, Smudger687 said:

I did test it, I stuck a pellet on the wall and then crushed with pliers, you can feel the point where the wad gives way and the pellet goes through.

Admittedly it's not a quantitative test but I don't have access to any equipment that would give me a definite figure. Nonetheless, you can feel a clear difference between the two. 

If the shot is pushing through the wad wall why are we not hearing of lots of barrels being scored, or at best some pickup from the steel (iron) shot, most of these wads must be preforming well as I am sure we would have lots of threads with pictures of scored barrels.

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problem with the cardboard tube type wads is the material to make them from is costly and then slow to manufacture compared with injection moulding hence by the time, manufacture, importer and retailer have had a profit they are very expensive, so minority use given they will be £130 and more a thousand.

However at least they look available to buy which is encouraging and are properly biodegradable.

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On 18/12/2024 at 14:06, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, So when they ban Lead for Steel there will be Plastic Wads scattered all over the Country Side ??

By then no the bio wads are now coming through and hopefully everyone will use them. I already do loading 8 and 10 bore ..I hope to have cracked 12 and 28 bore imminently 

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16 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said:

By then no the bio wads are now coming through and hopefully everyone will use them. I already do loading 8 and 10 bore ..I hope to have cracked 12 and 28 bore imminently 

Hello, Ok, Depends when all this happens but have enough cartridges to last me out as i do not shoot much these days

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8 hours ago, old'un said:

If the shot is pushing through the wad wall why are we not hearing of lots of barrels being scored, or at best some pickup from the steel (iron) shot, most of these wads must be preforming well as I am sure we would have lots of threads with pictures of scored barrels.

I didn't say it was pushing through in the barrel, I was using the plier test to determine the relative strength of each wad, the joker was is tougher.

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11 minutes ago, Smudger687 said:

I didn't say it was pushing through in the barrel, I was using the plier test to determine the relative strength of each wad, the joker was is tougher.

A good test 😊

we all do things to satisfy ourselves of the relative strength of these products that’s probably why we take cartridges to pieces burying wads and cases in compost heaps ect it’s a type of science 

personally found it wasn’t that difficult to push some of the smaller steel steel shot sizes through the wall of plastic wads 

maybe related to hand strength 🤔

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5 hours ago, Old farrier said:

A good test 😊

we all do things to satisfy ourselves of the relative strength of these products that’s probably why we take cartridges to pieces burying wads and cases in compost heaps ect it’s a type of science 

personally found it wasn’t that difficult to push some of the smaller steel steel shot sizes through the wall of plastic wads 

maybe related to hand strength 🤔

Smaller pellets will penetrate through a wad more easily in a plier test; pressure = force/area, so with a constant crush force the pressure goes up.

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