Idris Elba: Our Knife Crime Crisis

[JohnfromUK]

I understand a television programme as title is to be broadcast tonight on the BBC.  Normally it wouldn't cross my radar, but there was an interview with Idris Elba (who I had to look up, but seems to have no obvious qualification to talk about knife crime) on R4 this morning.  It sounded completely out of touch offering as a part of the solution would be to have the ends of kitchen knives 'rounded off' to prevent them being used to 'stab'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1jgz1ld7lno

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Gordon Bennett.

[BobbyH]

Heard this on the radio this morning too on BBC Norfolk. Again, ill have to google who Idris Elba is....

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Idris Elba is a black actor who was rumoured to be the first black Bond some years ago.

He is only being "used" by the BBC as a figure head as young people will know who he is.

[Penelope]

5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I understand a television programme as title is to be broadcast tonight on the BBC.  Normally it wouldn't cross my radar, but there was an interview with Idris Elba (who I had to look up, but seems to have no obvious qualification to talk about knife crime) on R4 this morning.  It sounded completely out of touch offering as a part of the solution would be to have the ends of kitchen knives 'rounded off' to prevent them being used to 'stab'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1jgz1ld7lno

 

Obviously, he is black, so will 'appeal' to what appear to be the main proponents of stabby sports.

It's perfectly fine for the BBC to profile, just can't do it for stop and search.

[ditchman]

This is my "rounded off" kitchen knife.....

i can quite easily take someones head off in 3 cuts with it...it is razor sharp

 

[BobbyH]

Im not too sure when Knife crime really 'took off' so to speak.

When i was growing up in the early 90's (still a baby face i know), Knife crime wasnt really there that i was aware of.

Edited yesterday at 09:00 by BobbyH

[Stimo22]

He is the sort of person that may be listened to by young men carrying knives. If he can do any good at all then good on him. He seems genuinely concerned about the situation and let’s hope he can help. We all know that stopping selling kitchen knives to the normal people won’t help the situation and it needs something else to happen 

[Penelope]

3 minutes ago, Stimo22 said:

He is the sort of person that may be listened to by young men carrying knives

A very naive thought. 

[scorpio54]

One supposes in the light of recent tragic events (3 children killed with a knife) the authorities have to be seen to be doing something, in my view the BBC will always cruise issues that the government lacks momentum in.

We are all still painfully aware of the Dunblane shooting that resulted in draconian government measures to ban the ownership of handguns. Easily enforced and penalised a lot of totally innocent  hand gun owners. Did it solve the problem of unlawful use of handguns? I dont really think so. Information I have received suggests handguns (and semi/fully automatic weapons) are readily available to those prepared to pay for them, especially when one considers just one source to get them is the free passage of guns smuggled into the UK by Albanians on dinghies coming across from Calais.

Knife crime is a totally different ball game, already there is a think tank attempting to push through legislation to restrict or ban the ownership of bayonets/fighting knives, which are by and large the pursuit of innocent collectibles by collecting enthusiasts, these vigilators are already well into the courier services and the post office to ban the transit of such weapons, bayonets per se are the tip of the iceberg and an easy target for the government as all the sales are largely done on internet sites which are closely monitored by the authorities for bayonet/fighting knife transactions (does this again smell of another Dunblane?) 

Restricting or even banning cutlery is a task that is simply put impossible. Akin to banning the sale of scissors, even a biro in the hands of a maniac can be turned into a deadly weapon. Me thinks its the culture and society today the government should be looking into for the answers, but by default successive governments will always look for the solution that appears to be the most effective (banning which always grabs the headlines) I wish them all the luck in the world with this one, as I do with solving the migrant crisis that allows this country to be flooded with radicals, murderers and rapists on an epic scale.

 

 

[islandgun]

3 minutes ago, Stimo22 said:

He is the sort of person that may be listened to by young men carrying knives. If he can do any good at all then good on him. He seems genuinely concerned about the situation and let’s hope he can help. We all know that stopping selling kitchen knives to the normal people won’t help the situation and it needs something else to happen 

Agree, he is a high profile actor (to the young 😉) good luck to him. Age verification for online purchasing might be an option

[Westley]

In the 80’s and 90's it was Stanley knives that were being carried. I was working at a football match and together with my colleagues,  had cause to enter the crowd, to quell a fight. It was the usual push and shove that occurs in close crowd incidents. As we were forcing our way back out onto the pitch, one of my colleagues asked if someone had poured a drink down his back. When he turned around he had been slashed several times, across his back.  He had multiple stitches to his wounds, but he survived. 

[BobbyH]

3 minutes ago, Westley said:

In the 80’s and 90's it was Stanley knives that were being carried. I was working at a football match and together with my colleagues,  had cause to enter the crowd, to quell a fight. It was the usual push and shove that occurs in close crowd incidents. As we were forcing our way back out onto the pitch, one of my colleagues asked if someone had poured a drink down his back. When he turned around he had been slashed several times, across his back.  He had multiple stitches to his wounds, but he survived. 

Wow!! Just goes to show doesnt it!!

Nasty people in this world!

[Westley]

5 minutes ago, islandgun said:

Agree, he is a high profile actor (to the young 😉) good luck to him. Age verification for online purchasing might be an option

How can you verify age on line   ?  Surely that it easily faked. As already stated, only genuine collectors will be affected by ANY legislation. Last week there were 3 males in Court for converting Turkish replica handguns into usable weapons. The banning of handguns, did absolutely nothing to prevent gun crime, BUT, to Joe Public, the Government were seen to act swiftly and robustly. A bit like the Doctors input towards current gun ownership.

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, He was on BBC Breakfast news, Many Actors or so called Celebrities get involved with different causes, He seems concerned on this so i go with Stimo 22 post , But it will not solve the whole knife crime in UK with our young generation, 

Edited yesterday at 09:45 by oldypigeonpopper

[old man]

2 minutes ago, Westley said:

How can you verify age on line   ?  Surely that it easily faked. As already stated, only genuine collectors will be affected by ANY legislation. Last week there were 3 males in Court for converting Turkish replica handguns into usable weapons. The banning of handguns, did absolutely nothing to prevent gun crime, BUT, to Joe Public, the Government were seen to act swiftly and robustly. A bit like the Doctors input towards current gun ownership.

Sadly so, those in power hope and pray that the populace are gullible enough to  interpret any action as progress towards a solution? The reality doesn't matter?

[islandgun]

9 minutes ago, Westley said:

How can you verify age on line   ?  Surely that it easily faked. As already stated, only genuine collectors will be affected by ANY legislation. Last week there were 3 males in Court for converting Turkish replica handguns into usable weapons. The banning of handguns, did absolutely nothing to prevent gun crime, BUT, to Joe Public, the Government were seen to act swiftly and robustly. A bit like the Doctors input towards current gun ownership.

I've no answer, the last time I bought a pen knife in an outdoor store they were obliged to ask for proof of age, thankfully I was able to show that I was 50 yrs over the 18yr cut off😚

[JohnfromUK]

15 minutes ago, islandgun said:

I've no answer, the last time I bought a pen knife in an outdoor store they were obliged to ask for proof of age, thankfully I was able to show that I was 50 yrs over the 18yr cut off😚

Anyone who can't see that I'm over 18 seriously needs a visit to Specsavers!

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, As a family we know how knife crime affects people, My older Son girlfriend in his 20s ( now 50s ) was killed in a knife attack at a Wedding, He could not go that day, it has had a Profound affect with him even to this day, 

[Westley]

55 minutes ago, islandgun said:

I've no answer, the last time I bought a pen knife in an outdoor store they were obliged to ask for proof of age, thankfully I was able to show that I was 50 yrs over the 18yr cut off😚

You are lucky.........I don't even get asked     🙄 

[Dougy]

1 hour ago, Westley said:

In the 80’s and 90's it was Stanley knives that were being carried. I was working at a football match and together with my colleagues,  had cause to enter the crowd, to quell a fight. It was the usual push and shove that occurs in close crowd incidents. As we were forcing our way back out onto the pitch, one of my colleagues asked if someone had poured a drink down his back. When he turned around he had been slashed several times, across his back.  He had multiple stitches to his wounds, but he survived. 

With a stab you feel like you've been thumped, then the feeling of cold and wetness. 

The problem we have in the UK is its the culture now to carry in this gang related population..

And with a high number entering the UK, that in their home country its normal practice to go out tooled up. 

[islandgun]

5 minutes ago, Westley said:

You are lucky.........I don't even get asked     🙄 

Indeed, I think his sense of humour got the better of him

[ditchman]

so i will be fine carrying a cut -throat razor ...after all it has a blunt point...and it is not a lock knife

[Westley]

Stop and Search does work.......After all, it was the root cause of the riots in the 80’s.  Of course it was quickly, but wrongly, renamed as racist. BUT, the outcome was the same, and achieved the desired effect. The Bobby on the street stopped doing stop/searches....it just was NOT worth the hassle. To a degree, the same applies to today. It has been made to become, once again, not worth the bother. Stop someone on the street now and the first thing is the mobile phone/ camera stuck in your face. That is followed by the barrack room lawyers, "I know my rights". The Bobbies are goaded into some sort of action, which often ends in no charges and substantial compensation payouts. Bobbies are being sacked now if they as much as send, what we would see as 'a joke', on their phone, EVEN when off duty. A lot that I know are 'keeping their heads down' and counting the days until retirement. 

[dainty duck]

2 hours ago, BobbyH said:

Heard this on the radio this morning too on BBC Norfolk. Again, ill have to google who Idris Elba is....

yes same here , An Actor who some times doesn't know his Idris from his Elba !