Ukraine, Russia, UK and Europe?

[NoBodyImportant]

On 26/02/2025 at 12:10, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, Now if Trump gets his way with the deal getting the  Minerals from Ukraine , How will Putin react to that ??

He is begging the USA to take a share of Russian minerals also.  The art of the deal.  

[oldypigeonpopper]

10 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

He is begging the USA to take a share of Russian minerals also.  The art of the deal.  

Hello, All the while he is still Bombing Ukraine and killing many citizens, Why are most Countries so scared of Putin ??  Bomb the Kremlin i say 👍

[Newbie to this]

25 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, All the while he is still Bombing Ukraine and killing many citizens, Why are most Countries so scared of Putin ??  Bomb the Kremlin i say 👍

Oh dear

[oldypigeonpopper]

7 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Oh dear

Hello, Well something has to be done, What do you suggest ?? 

[Newbie to this]

Maybe not starting a nuclear war.

As Trump has said, up until him, no one has even talked about peace.

Peace starts with conversation.

Unfortunately that requires talking to the aggressor as well as the invaded. It also means compromise. 

Understandably Ukraine may not be happy with that, but I don't think they have a choice. They cannot win this war, especially if the US stops funding it.

[Dave-G]

7 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, All the while he is still Bombing Ukraine and killing many citizens, Why are most Countries so scared of Putin ??  Bomb the Kremlin i say 👍

The Kremlin has the same self protection first strike nuclear policy as us: If UK is attacked we will respond with the ultimate deterrent. Something some past Labour leaders and traitors failed to comprehend.

 

we have at least one nuclear armed sub permanently at sea for that very reason.

Edited 21 hours ago by Dave-G

[Rewulf]

19 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

we have at least one nuclear armed sub permanently at sea for that very reason

I thought we couldnt launch without American permission/codes ?

Not saying they wouldnt give it, but I was always under the impression we didnt have total control over our nuclear deterrent ?

[Dave-G]

Just now, Rewulf said:

I thought we couldnt launch without American permission/codes ?

Not saying they wouldnt give it, but I was always under the impression we didnt have total control over our nuclear deterrent ?

I don't know TBH but wouldn't be surprised, I expect we'd at least alert them for our own safety.

[JohnfromUK]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I thought we couldnt launch without American permission/codes ?

Not so - they are USA built and (I think owned, but 'leased'?) but we have independent control over use.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-america-doesnt-control-britains-nuclear-weapons/

[ditchman]

looks as if the Ukraine minerals deal has gone TOTALLY tits up....

whats next ..eh............i wonder if this was by design...by Trump to put pressure on Zelensky to either resign or go to election...so the people will put pressure on the govt to accept a Trump / Putin deal...to end the war.......

i rekon this is wheels within wheels...

Zelensky left Whitehouse with lot of bad blood....

[semi-auto]

According to the news on TV, Zelensky was expelled from the White House. From the pictures, he couldn't leave fast enough!

[old man]

17 hours ago, Rewulf said:

I thought we couldnt launch without American permission/codes ?

Not saying they wouldnt give it, but I was always under the impression we didnt have total control over our nuclear deterrent ?

Wouldn't be surprised, we don't seem to have control of anything these days? A nice easy fob of if something goes wrong in being able to blame someone else?

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, Why call this a War ?? It was an Invasion by the Russians on Putins Orders, Did Putin go on State TV to declare War on Ukraine ? No , They just amassed a huge Army on the Russian / Ukraine border and proceeded to murder Ukraine Citizens and destroy Cities and Towns taking over a whole Area of Eastern Ukraine and still going on with 1000s of Dead on both sides, Russia are still Bombing Ukraine while Trump accuses Zelenski of starting WW3 

[Stonepark]

The war started in 2014 when the Ukranian government was overtaken by a coup and certain areas of the country legitimately resisted this and were attacked by the new Nazi Ukranian Government (the next likely president and current ambassador to London Zaluzhnyi being a good example) and held on for the next 8 years with 14,000 civilians killed, even through all the time the West arming the Ukranian army with modern weapons and western training with plans to invade the resisting regions and annihilate them.

Putin gave them warning, after warning, they negotiated and signed treaties which the Ukranians then broke, the Duma held votes and authorised Putin to take action.

It is quite clear that the West instigated the war, people might be upset that Russia expanded it, but that is the risk you take when you play regime change for real, rather than on a Risk board.

The major issue that all those elites (who are generally rich) in support of regime change ignored was the downsides, some 1.5% of our GDP (equivalent of £40B per annum) is being drained each year from the UK in aid to Ukraine, higher energy prices, inflation etc and as such every working person (and returmed etc) is being punished financially because of this.

The fact that some people can't get there head around this, does not make everyone who can appeasers, just sensible practical folk, who see that their governments overstepped (which is going to be corrected through elections in future) and created a mess, when there need not have been one.