Finally Nigel backs. Tommy. Robinson

[johnphilip]

Quite a long video. But if you skip. To around 26 minutes. In . BUT  time. Will tell . He will  gain back lots of votes if he tries  to. Help  out the inhumane  way. Tommy. Has been tret , the next. Interview with Ben . Habib. Is interesting.  In how the. Judge. Changed.  The offence. ....... 

 

[ditchman]

i wonder if Farage is making a mistake......with his continuing love fest with Trump ...and if Robinson gets even more naughty hardline he will take Farage down via assosiation.........

time and the polls will tell.......mind you the more Labour complain the better it will be for the right of politics

[Raja Clavata]

Money talks. No different to the rest of them…

[welsh1]

Farage hasn't come out in support of Robinson, he's just said that he's not being treated right, there is a big difference in supporting a person to pointing out that treatment may be unfair.

Robinson isn't a political prisoner,he broke the law after a judge warned him not to,so the idiot got sent to jail.

[johnphilip]

1 hour ago, welsh1 said:

Farage hasn't come out in support of Robinson, he's just said that he's not being treated right, there is a big difference in supporting a person to pointing out that treatment may be unfair.

Robinson isn't a political prisoner,he broke the law after a judge warned him not to,so the idiot got sent to jail.

No one has said he is supporting  Tommy Robinson. He.said he is backing the fact that Tommy Robinson  is not been treated  Humanely in prison.  

[ditchman]

1 hour ago, johnphilip said:

No one has said he is supporting  Tommy Robinson. He.said he is backing the fact that Tommy Robinson  is not been treated  Humanely in prison.  

remember chinese whispers.....

[JohnfromUK]

6 hours ago, welsh1 said:

Farage hasn't come out in support of Robinson, he's just said that he's not being treated right, there is a big difference in supporting a person to pointing out that treatment may be unfair.

Robinson isn't a political prisoner,he broke the law after a judge warned him not to,so the idiot got sent to jail.

/\. This.

[Rim Fire]

Elon Musk supports TR and that's all you need to know and  Farage is afraid he will stop supporting him in his campaign  

[Raja Clavata]

8 hours ago, welsh1 said:

Robinson isn't a political prisoner,he broke the law after a judge warned him not to,so the idiot got sent to jail.

+1

[johnphilip]

1 hour ago, Rim Fire said:

Elon Musk supports TR and that's all you need to know and  Farage is afraid he will stop supporting him in his campaign  

That. And the thousands  of voters Reform could loose. Strange. How Nigel only spoke up about all this while on American  soil . Reform. Is going through some changes. In how. Its run and organised all for the better hopefully. 

 

[JohnfromUK]

6 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

That. And the thousands  of voters Reform could loose. Strange. How Nigel only spoke up about all this while on American  soil . Reform. Is going through some changes. In how. Its run and organised all for the better hopefully. 

 

The key question that arises is this; 

Is it good/right that a UK political party is in effect having it's policy influenced/dictated (choose your words) by a non UK billionaire who is also formally involved with politics and holds a current government post in his own country?

[amateur]

10 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

The key question that arises is this; 

Is it good/right that a UK political party is in effect having it's policy influenced/dictated (choose your words) by a non UK billionaire who is also formally involved with politics and holds a current government post in his own country?

Politics is all about "influence".

Probably no worse than that dictated to the current government by the unions.

[Dougy]

If Reform are against the very unusual sentence given to TR then fine I don't disagree. 

It must be clear that the sentence and the perpetrator are kept separate in any case. Is the sentence fair, no, does the sentence fit the crime no, and that is the issue here. 

Reform must be clear with any protests. The sentence not the person. 

[old man]

19 minutes ago, Dougy said:

If Reform are against the very unusual sentence given to TR then fine I don't disagree. 

It must be clear that the sentence and the perpetrator are kept separate in any case. Is the sentence fair, no, does the sentence fit the crime no, and that is the issue here. 

Reform must be clear with any protests. The sentence not the person. 

Too much common sense there bud.

[12gauge82]

7 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

The key question that arises is this; 

Is it good/right that a UK political party is in effect having it's policy influenced/dictated (choose your words) by a non UK billionaire who is also formally involved with politics and holds a current government post in his own country?

It's gone on since the dawn of time. Blair with his cronies in Brussels, Cameron and his off shore money, Starmer being given vast amounts of money by Lord Ali. 

I'd trust Farage over any of the political class any day. 

[old man]

13 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

It's gone on since the dawn of time. Blair with his cronies in Brussels, Cameron and his off shore money, Starmer being given vast amounts of money by Lord Ali. 

I'd trust Farage over any of the political class any day. 

Mm, my thoughts from under a hedge again.  Taking your point and thinking on as unfortunately I seem to be programmed to do? Trust has to be earned?? 

Certainly we need to separate the present hogs from the trough? The current system allows, that, in most circumstances at no personal cost to themselves they can damage away to their own or backers request? Not giving a rats rear about consequences knowing they can move their chairs, take a rest and carry on emptying the trough from the other side?

Resulting in no change of results for the country other than a decline?

What's a better system?  Where is it and how to obtain it? 

It's beyond my pay grade but needed. We just can't keep celebrating mediocrity as the gold standard?

 

 

[oldypigeonpopper]

16 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

It's gone on since the dawn of time. Blair with his cronies in Brussels, Cameron and his off shore money, Starmer being given vast amounts of money by Lord Ali. 

I'd trust Farage over any of the political class any day. 

Hello, You forgot Boris and the PPE scandal ??

[janner]

Trump has as much regard for farage as he has for something stuck on the bottom of his shoe, farage in turn has as much real concern for the plight of little tommy two names as he has for children dying in the channel,

All three will use anybody and anything they see fit to advance their own careers,

Musk is quietly laughing all the while.

Edited 5 hours ago by janner

[armsid]

We go on about others interfering in our politics but what did Starlin do? Sent Momentum members over to theUSA to help Kamala with her campaign no wonder Trump distrusts Starlin

[johnphilip]

2 hours ago, janner said:

Trump has as much regard for farage as he has for something stuck on the bottom of his shoe, farage in turn has as much real concern for the plight of little tommy two names as he has for children dying in the channel,

All three will use anybody and anything they see fit to advance their own careers,

Musk is quietly laughing all the while.

The only person  responsible  for children dying  in the channel is those who put them in the boats. 

[Raja Clavata]

5 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

The only person  responsible  for children dying  in the channel is those who put them in the boats. 

There’s a significant difference between concern and responsibility…

Edited 2 hours ago by Raja Clavata

[johnphilip]

1 minute ago, Raja Clavata said:

There’s a significant difference between concern and responsibility…

Then don't  put them in the boat . Then none of the above would apply. 

[Raja Clavata]

Need to get the thread back on track.

I see Trump has changed his stance a little on who’s to blame for the Ukraine conflict.

[johnphilip]

4 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Need to get the thread back on track.

I see Trump has changed his stance a little on who’s to blame for the Ukraine conflict.

Do keep up 🙂🙂 this thread is about the inhumane  way someone is tret in a UK prison 😃😃

[12gauge82]

9 hours ago, old man said:

Mm, my thoughts from under a hedge again.  Taking your point and thinking on as unfortunately I seem to be programmed to do? Trust has to be earned?? 

Certainly we need to separate the present hogs from the trough? The current system allows, that, in most circumstances at no personal cost to themselves they can damage away to their own or backers request? Not giving a rats rear about consequences knowing they can move their chairs, take a rest and carry on emptying the trough from the other side?

Resulting in no change of results for the country other than a decline?

What's a better system?  Where is it and how to obtain it? 

It's beyond my pay grade but needed. We just can't keep celebrating mediocrity as the gold standard?

 

 

The only way to change the system is to vote for a party that intends to make radical change to it. That's what's at the heart of Farage party and literally why they've called themselves reform. 

7 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, You forgot Boris and the PPE scandal ??

Your right. I'm sure every PM and party in power have had numerous whether uncovered or not. 

4 hours ago, janner said:

Trump has as much regard for farage as he has for something stuck on the bottom of his shoe, farage in turn has as much real concern for the plight of little tommy two names as he has for children dying in the channel,

All three will use anybody and anything they see fit to advance their own careers,

Musk is quietly laughing all the while.

True or not. Does that not also apply to starmer and most of the rest before him. 

I don't think I've ever heard a less sincere person speak.