leeds chimp Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 all door staff in england Scotland an wales must have the SIA license visible at all time's while working an 8door staff sounds about the right number, a lot off clubs an pub do employer unlicensed door staff as they are cheaper ##8 door staff for 150+ people is about right?? your lucky to get 3 theses days for that number 8 door staff for 100 people is good , a big club i used to go to has 5 and a capacity of 500 people as above Just read up on self defense laws. Apparently you are allowed to attack someone first in self defense. If yourself or another are in direct jeopardy then you can strike out first. Attacks can only be reasonable. If an assailant is attacking somebody in the head then you are entitled to incapacitate any further attack. EG knock them out. My brother was being attacked in the head and my strike out was non lethal and stopped any further attack. Joe again wrong mate as the doorlad was doing his job..you dont know what had gone on beforehand and you made the strike...plus you had been drinking...he might have tried to glass someone You're either telling porkies or one in a million. I can honestly say that i have never met a copper that would arrest a bouncer if someone went to them saying they had been assulted. your lucky then as done the doors for 9 years and had a few coppers try and put us to the chop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 If the cops are reading this At least one 'cop' is contributing to this thread, anyone in the whole wide world with a pc can read it - just think about it for a moment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anni Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 At least one 'cop' is contributing to this thread, anyone in the whole wide world with a pc can read it - just think about it for a moment... Should'nt he be out catching real criminals JUST JOKING :o A fine body of men if ever there was one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascal_2005 Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 wen i got beeten by bouncers (broken collor bone, black eye, bruises) because i argued that my id was real (it was, i just got a baby face) i tryed to press charges. when it came to the bouncers to give the cctv to the police the disc was mysteriously whiped? and no one knew anything about it. 5 of them rained boots down on me like it was going out of fashion. all because i said for **** sake give me back my id and il **** off. i do belive that they wanted to make a point as i was with a few girls at the time and wanted to make me look stupid? but thats just my opinion. not all bouncers are divs, i get on with most of them, just some seem to have a chip on there sholders. john boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) wen i got beeten by bouncers (broken collor bone, black eye, bruises) because i argued that my id was real (it was, i just got a baby face) i tryed to press charges. when it came to the bouncers to give the cctv to the police the disc was mysteriously whiped? and no one knew anything about it. 5 of them rained boots down on me like it was going out of fashion. all because i said for **** sake give me back my id and il **** off. i do belive that they wanted to make a point as i was with a few girls at the time and wanted to make me look stupid? but thats just my opinion. not all bouncers are divs, i get on with most of them, just some seem to have a chip on there sholders. john boy praise indeed ! are you sure it wasnt because they had a strict spelling and grammar policy ? Edited January 11, 2010 by ME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascal_2005 Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 praise indeed ! there not, im on first name terms with most of them around my area as we all have a giggle when were out, have a bit of banter, even get lifts home some time. i even have a mate that works the doors round my way. they do a good job, (i wouldnt want to do it) but some do really have a problem , seems like a power thing? john boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Joe forget it and move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Joe forget it and move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I've never caused an ounce of trouble but have been turfed out of clubs a few times! Sports Bar in Newcastle seemed to be the worst for it, I was stood at the bar downstairs one night when a couple of guys nearby started getting lary and before I could blink I was stood out on the street! Thankfuly it was late so I gave it up as a bad job and went for a keeebab I used to drink in there most weekends and can't say I've ever had any trouble. Kebab was probably the winner anyway mate i used to drink in there too... never had any bother either.... shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I was on the receiving end of a proper kicking once from the bouncers in some squaddie bar in Osnabrück. It happened in my case because I mistook chimping about for being witty and insightful, and being very drunk for having mad fighting skills. ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fancyacuppa Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Hmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) I got bottled across the top of the head in Dukes in Chelmsford for being a mouthy pillock. I was then kicked out by the bouncers who used my already split and bleeding head to open the fire doors and throw me out. Helpfully they also threw out the bloke who had bottled me and all his mates. Got a literal kick-in on the ground outside then. EDIT: on arrival at the hospital decided I didnt need anesthetic for the stitching too. It smarted a tad but having made my decision I had to stick by it Great night out Edited January 11, 2010 by ME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I got bottled across the top of the head in Dukes in Chelmsford for being a mouthy pillock. I was then kicked out by the bouncers who used my already split and bleeding head to open the fire doors and throw me out. Helpfully they also threw out the bloke who had bottled me and all his mates. Got a literal kick-in on the ground outside then. EDIT: on arrival at the hospital decided I didnt need anesthetic for the stitching too. It smarted a tad but having made my decision I had to stick by it Great night out Sounds like one of thoese golden sources for future banter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Hi All Bouncers are easy, back in the day(70's) me and my mate got dragged into the back of a police van at a Birmingham City game given a right kicking in the back of the van and then kicked out, we still laugh about it, better than being nicked and we probably deserved it Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 and i bet just before you decided to knee the bouncer in the head in front of his work pals that your brother was doing nothing for them to attempt to throw him out . your brother must of knicked off as 9 out of ten times if you **** about you are out asap ran out not rolling around the floor arms swan like and out asap . yee got slung out for acting up so if i was yee give it up forget about it and get on with your life and remember a bouncer doe's not forget a face . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 (edited) Joe, I think the fact you are thinking about using a gun to scare people off in your hypothetical scenario shows you should not be able to have one. Harry Indeed so, very good point........We are also lucky that the serving police officers on here take a sensible view on this type of discussion. Joe, let me give you a tip- There might be a few on here who call it hogwash- But i learnt long ago it far better to steer well clear of any establishment that require a doormen...... I am probably a bit older than you and the only time I ever visit nightclubs etc is when a younger family member has a celebration. Even then, I always stay on the sensible sober side of things, and it is truly surprising when you look around you what total bunch of loons are about. I am not telling you to be a priest or anything, but think about it as a licence holder -you are putting yourself in a unneccessary situation which could result in problems through no fault of your own. Don't get me wrong, 90% of us would do the same if a family member was being attacked but in doing so your actions could be deemed unlawful. I have seen many a guy over the years who undertook that one moment of madness and lost his guns.....Something that most of them to this day in their older life truly regret. Edited January 12, 2010 by starlight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Praise indeed ! Are you sure it wasn't because they had a strict spelling and grammar policy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Stalker Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I detest bouncers/doormen/neanderthals with a passion, everyone I've ever come across have been pumped up meat heads that generally can't wait for something to go off so they can start throwing their weight around. Years ago while out with wives & girlfriends in a Watford club a mate of mine who is the most placid bloke on this earth was thrown out with 2 blokes that had started on him for absolutely no reason, we tried reasoning with the bouncers that he would get a kicking from these 2 thugs but they weren't having any of it . So we all left the club (we hadn't even had a drink!) to find my mate tusseling with the 2 blokes, what happened next sickened me to the pit of my stomach, the doors burst open & 4 bouncers piled out, one of them punched my mate on the side of his head and knocked him out cold, he fell to the floor smashing his head against the concrete, he was left there in a pool of blood unconcious while the bouncers set about us, 2 of them had coshes, the girls were screaming there heads off! It was like a nighmare unfolding. The 2 blokes that started on my mate miraculously disappeared in the mele. The police arrived by which time all bar one of the bouncers had slunk back into the club & the manager was out now complaining that we had started trouble. We had to identify the bouncer that whacked my mate. To the police's credit they arrested the bouncer and he was locked up over night, as he was known to the police for this sort of thing in the past. My mate was rushed off to Watford hospital for brain scans Surprise surprise all of this took place just out of sight from the clubs CCTV cameras My mate was in hospital overnight & thankfully he was alright, the scan showed that there was a brain in there but we could quite easily have been burying him such was the force of that punch He's never gone to a club since No charges were brought on the bouncer or the club cos it was there word against ours Thats why I detest them! SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Joe,i think your next post should be'I made it all up'and then go and lie low for a bit.Otherwise it could be byebye guns.Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 (edited) I detest bouncers/doormen/neanderthals with a passion, everyone I've ever come across have been pumped up meat heads that generally can't wait for something to go off so they can start throwing their weight around. Years ago while out with wives & girlfriends in a Watford club a mate of mine who is the most placid bloke on this earth was thrown out with 2 blokes that had started on him for absolutely no reason, we tried reasoning with the bouncers that he would get a kicking from these 2 thugs but they weren't having any of it . So we all left the club (we hadn't even had a drink!) to find my mate tusseling with the 2 blokes, what happened next sickened me to the pit of my stomach, the doors burst open & 4 bouncers piled out, one of them punched my mate on the side of his head and knocked him out cold, he fell to the floor smashing his head against the concrete, he was left there in a pool of blood unconcious while the bouncers set about us, 2 of them had coshes, the girls were screaming there heads off! It was like a nighmare unfolding. The 2 blokes that started on my mate miraculously disappeared in the mele. The police arrived by which time all bar one of the bouncers had slunk back into the club & the manager was out now complaining that we had started trouble. We had to identify the bouncer that whacked my mate. To the police's credit they arrested the bouncer and he was locked up over night, as he was known to the police for this sort of thing in the past. My mate was rushed off to Watford hospital for brain scans Surprise surprise all of this took place just out of sight from the clubs CCTV cameras My mate was in hospital overnight & thankfully he was alright, the scan showed that there was a brain in there but we could quite easily have been burying him such was the force of that punch He's never gone to a club since No charges were brought on the bouncer or the club cos it was there word against ours Thats why I detest them! SS I'm not overly keen on them either Years ago, when I lived in Kent, I went to an airline promotional evening, hosted by Qantas, at a bar in Ramsgate (I was a travel agent). I went with the manageress of one of the other local travel agents, and her younger brother who worked for her. We were the last to leave and we'd had a few, though we weren't rowdy, we were sat round a table talking. There was nobody behind the bar, but two blokes sat on stools at the bar (who turned out to be the owner and a bouncer) This girl wanted another beer, and like a ****, she got up and walked through the open bar hatch and helped herself from a chiller cabinet behind the bar. A stupid thing to do, but I don't think she even intended to nick the beer, I prefer to think that she'd have paid for it when the bar staff returned. (We thought the two blokes sat on stools were customers). Anyway, the owner gets up, takes the beer back off her and tells us to leave. Fair enough. I got up and started ushering these two towards the door. She starts gobbing off and protesting. She actually had the nerve to say that she should be allowed to pay for and finish the beer I managed to get her ushered towards the door, but then the bouncer just barged me out the way and punched her full on in the face, like you'd punch a bloke :o :o :o . I rather stupidly put my hand on his shoulder to try and reason with him and get him to lay off and he spun round and whacked me and her brother, who was behind me . I fell into a group of tables, smashing the whole lot into pieces (very Wild West) and was spark out for a minute or two. I got a broken nose, her brother needed stitches in his eyebrow. When I finally got us all together and outside, the manager apologised to me and told me that he saw that I was only trying to keep the peace. I told him he ought to get a muzzle for "that", whereupon it nearly kicked off again We should have reported it really, but I knew she was bang out of order, though it was an absurd over-reaction. If they'd have wanted the moral high ground, they should have called the Police and she's have had a job explaining about nicking the beer. I think that guy was a head case, certifiable. I wouldn't have been at all surprised if he ended up killing someone in the line of his "duty" Edited January 12, 2010 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 round us they all seem to be coke heads in it simply for the image and the fact its usually the only job they can get due to being remarkably dense. Joe forget it you're not very old by the sound of things and have a lot to learn, one things for sure were you caught on CCTV kneeing a bouncer in the head and it didn't catch the rest of the even it would be bye bye FAC as they don't tend to mess arround. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 like all industries there are a few bad eggs but 95% of doorman do it now for the money to help pay for the family....before you slag them all off...why dont you try doing a nites work as one.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 (edited) Sounds like the securiy was only doing there job. Restraining a rowdy reveler It adds character and makes you a better person for having a good beating. He'll thank them for it it years to come. He may even purchase drinks and chew the fat with them one day:rolleyes: Jonno Edited January 12, 2010 by jonno 357 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Sounds like the securiy was only doing there job. Restraining a rowdy reveler Jonno and we cant win.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 like all industries there are a few bad eggs but 95% of doorman do it now for the money to help pay for the family....before you slag them all off...why dont you try doing a nites work as one.... well put its the cash after tax that pays the bill's .door work is not like it was years ago biff boff bash .as stated stand on a door faced with a load of drunks who off course have,nt had a drink all night telling you there pal getting off the floor is ok to go in .doormen are there for the public's safety . its a **** job but helps pay the bill's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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