imissalot Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Sigh! Well doesn't that sound great for the anti's to hear all the shoot em up brigade going on about killing people off When I was a lot younger I had great faith that convictions were sound and the ends justified. Nowadays I tend to take life with a large pinch of salt as regards "evidence shows" when most of the evidence is insubstantial. I for one would not like to take my turn on pressing the button for anyone who got the death sentence - but I'm sure some folks on here would be happy to do so going by some of the posts so far I reckon 3 pages - maximum 4 before it gets withdrawn Pushkin B) if it happened to your family IE murdered,raped fiddled with think you would feel different ,i for one would be the first to push the button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 if it happened to your family IE murdered,raped fiddled with think you would feel different ,i for one would be the first to push the button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Didn't Jack Straw,as Home Secretary back in the early throes of 'New' Labour,sign a European declaration stating that the UK would no longer be an advocate of capital punishment?It was a condition of being accepted into the European community if I remember rightly,but someone will correct me if I'm wrong. There will only be a DEBATE about the re-introduction of the death penalty if enough people vote for it via the Gov' u-poll system.If there is enough demand for any legitimate topic it will be debated,but only that....debated.At least then the government cannot be accused of ignoring popular demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 whilst I would love to see the likes of the animal that killed Milly Dowler swing... Don't be silly, we need to keep him locked up and pay him thousands in compensation every time somebody trys to off him!!! >Story is here< Makes my blood boil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 I too have a feeling that when we joined the EU, with forfited our ability to reinstate capital punishment as well as several other things as conditions od entry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) Double post Edited August 4, 2011 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 In principal I would like to see the return of the death penalty for conviction of 'some' crimes. However I do not trust our legal system to convict safely. For that reason I would not vote for its return. I would vote for our exit from human rights legislation and murderers, paedophiles, terrorists etc should be given life sentences with no remission and no x boxes etc. Prison should be a punishment for these people and a deterrent for others.All rights were relinquished when they did the crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK-GUN Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 i agree with it i agree with you mate :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintime Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 This country only wants the good things from the EU the powersthat be only want you to have the rights they want you to have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 i agree with it, but i bet it will not go though, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) I believe that the death penalty is no deterrent. If we want to ensure the safety of society and/or we accept that we are agreeing to what amounts to 'revenge killings' then we should introduce it. If we cant find a better way to deal with people who should never be released then the death penalty should be reintroduced, albeit reluctantly. It would need a flawless judicial system and IMHO the threat of long term imprisonment for anyone who fabricates or knowingly perverts the cause of justice in trials where the possibility of the death sentence exists after a guilty verdict. I am certain however, if we accept it, such a sentence should be introduced for murder, retained but operated for 'treason' which would include terrorism. To prevent the frustrtaion of the process, once a guilty verdict has been handed down, a review of the case should be carried out and the original sentence confirmed before a death penalty can lawfully be carried out. This review should be carried out 18 months after the original verdict to ensure any matters pertinent to the verdict which did not come to light could be considered if they did subsequently some to light in that period. Stephan Kishco's (spelling) conviction was an unsafe verdict by virtue of his being unable to understand and defend himself. This should not have happened. Our legal system needs to be revised to satisfy the society it protects that only the guilty sacrifice their right to life. Reluctantly and with appropriate process safeguards I would support the reintroduction of the ultimate sanction Edited August 4, 2011 by Kes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR1960 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 if it happened to your family IE murdered,raped fiddled with think you would feel different ,i for one would be the first to push the button Yes I suspect I would, and i'd probably spout a similar load of macho ********, Indeed i'm sure i have done down the pub on numerous occasions but that doesn't make it right. Fortunately the government will debate it and then kick it into the long grass for another 20 years where it belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK-GUN Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 put them all on the jeremy kyle show and give them a lie detector test, when they fail hang them or gas them simple. :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcontroller Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) We should have the debate Every Time. One day we might get it, maybe not this time but one day. Edited August 4, 2011 by fatcontroller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 I think they should bring it back. I'd apply for the job of executioner. I'd do it for minimum wage and even supply the axe to keep costs down. Theirs to much scum in this country. And it would free up some money to aid the country's financial problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Never going to happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) There is a flaw in the death penalty debate which never gets mentioned - weak jury members. There is a significant percentage of the population who, if they were on a jury, would not ever return a guilty verdict if they knew the accused would get topped. Even if they were absolutely convinced of his guilt. So you would get a lot more not guilty verdicts and a lot more killers would walk free. Its not just the musili eaters either, a lot of people would react that way. When it came to the crunch they would not have the courage to go through with it. Edited August 4, 2011 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 I'm surprised by the 'not going to happen' viewpoint. If we want it in sufficient numbers then we will tell our MP's to vote that way or leave at the next election. Is this a democracy or what ?? So much cynicism makes the reality remote as apathy wins the day. Imagine this was vote to repeal the hunting ban or allow pistol shooting - would we all accept the 'it'll never happen' because if we do then lets just stick to talking about guns etc until we lose that right as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 There is a flaw in the death penalty debate which never gets mentioned - weak jury members. There is a significant percentage of the population who, if they were on a jury, would not return a guilty verdict if they knew the accused would get topped. Even if they were absolutely convinced of his guilt. So you would get a lot more not guilty verdicts and a lot more killers would walk free. Its not just the musili eaters either, a lot of people would react that way. When it came to the crunch they would not have the courage to go through with it. That's a point that I've never considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Its not just the musili eaters either, a lot of people would react that way. When it came to the crunch they would not have the courage to go through with it. same with the I would do it brigade, they would dribble like a post office queue if they actually got to do the deed, most who want to "pull the lever" couldn't pull a blind bird KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 they would dribble like a post office queue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR1960 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 I'm surprised by the 'not going to happen' viewpoint. If we want it in sufficient numbers then we will tell our MP's to vote that way or leave at the next election. Is this a democracy or what ?? Or what. Until we get PR which won't happen in my lifetime. Turkeys voting for xmas springs to mind. None of the major parties want capital punishment and probably never will, despite what public opinion may or may not be in fashion at the time, so who exactly are you going to vote for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Wont happen, if it does i have no faith in our polititions. Two wrongs don't make a right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Wont happen, if it does i have no faith in our polititions. Two wrongs don't make a right What?? You mean that you have faith in them currently?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oisin og Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 No. It should not be reintroduced. Mark of a civilized society and all that. In the recent past there have been a number of Irish people convicted of high profile murders at times of heightened public emotion and I have no doubt they would habve been executed if the law had permitted it. Many have been acquitted on appeal in circumstances where it has been shown that there has been a conspiracy of the part of the police and others. It is too easy to judicially kill people and then repent at leisure. I do not believe it is a real deterrent and the evidence, I believe, supports that view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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