DSPUK Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 "I have great hope that this strong, wise, warm and gentle community will have their rights protected and will not have their rights disintegrated," she said. Who is she talking about - Warm and gentle my ***** ring http://uk.news.yahoo.com/traveller-families-farm-eviction-showdown-024328044.html dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Interesting to note she doesn't live anywhere near there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) I wonder if she'd say the same if they parked up in her garden and started building illegal houses, stealing stuff and bringing down the value of her house. Her empathy is directed at the wrong people. Edited August 31, 2011 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Another ivory tower champagne socialist If they're so lovely i'm sure she'll have a few acres they can pitch up on! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 "I have great hope that this strong, wise, warm and gentle community will have their rights protected and will not have their rights disintegrated," she said. Who is she talking about - Warm and gentle my ***** ring http://uk.news.yahoo.com/traveller-families-farm-eviction-showdown-024328044.html dave I'm with her on this one the councils will not build sites for them to live on so what chouse do they have. Most of the people who complain about it are not real local people they are people who made a bit of money in the city and decided to buy a nice house in the country and want everything to stay the same so that the price of there houses keeps on going up. young local people now stand no chance of buying a house near to where they was born and bred as these people have pushed up the price of houses to stupid prices. On the radio yesterday there was a young couple both working bringing in over 40k they had saved 30k for a deposit but still could not borrow enough money to buy a house of there own. Another thing is council houses as they used to be for working people until labour changed it in to social housing for all working or not I am no big fan of travellers but they are no worst than the trash you will find on large housing estates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I have nothing against Travellers, but what gives them exemption from planning regulations. I couldn't get away with breaking them, so why were they allowed to do so for so long before any action was taken? Vanessa Redgrave - total balloon head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I have nothing against Travellers, but what gives them exemption from planning regulations. I couldn't get away with breaking them, so why were they allowed to do so for so long before any action was taken? Vanessa Redgrave - total balloon head. agree, as for the old trout redgrave she is the classic example of a "political extremist" so far from this planet she needs a space suit. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I said pretty much the same thing to Mrs H when watching the news last night. A lot of travellers do think that everyday laws and beaurocracy do not apply to them and they can do as they like-y. Human rights? When did that lot ever give a monkeys about anything other than their own? And even that's questionable. Oh, Look out! Here come Nickbeardo to close the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 In Essex (and Im sure other counties) many council tax payers money has been wasted providing LEGAL sites with hard standings, sewerage and running water. And what happens in lots of instances, ~? The thieving, selfish ****** move in and before long anything and everything has been unbolted, removed, stolen and sold and then the site filled with rubbish from tree surgery, building refuse, old gas bottles Etc etc and the place used as one big toilet. Vanessa Redgrave ya air head, let 'emm move into your garden/land then. The so called 'activists' ? No better than the travellers, the great unlawful and unwashed with no regard for the rights of others or the laws by which we all have to live by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 why should the tax payer have to stump up the cost of building sites for these so called travellers,had them knocking on my door offering to tarmack my drive for cash only,take it they dont like to pay tax like the rest of us.I ask myself whats the big advantage to living in this country rather then there country of origin, is it are benefit system, i as brought up to believe you get out of this life what you put in, dont now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 The village I grew up in played inadvertant host to two 'traveller' sites in the 80s. Crimes that started happening: Clothes stolen from washing lines Milk bottles stolen from doorsteps Livestock poached Drugs dealt Rubbish and filth deposited everywhere When they left all such crime ceased. Lovely, gentle community... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 There are good and bad travellers. The list of "crimes" could be applied to just about anywhere - some a whole lot worse. Are travellers to blame for gang warfare? Perhaps they are to blame for the recent riots. Perhaps they keep shooting people in Manchester, Nottingham, Birmingham and London. I think not. I have no time for their disregard of planning permission, but there is a real danger of over-reacting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Another ivory tower champagne socialist If they're so lovely i'm sure she'll have a few acres they can pitch up on! Mark Quite. Put you money where your mouth is Vanessa. I do rather think that there's alot of travellers in a catch 22. If there's not enough sites where are they meant to go. I've fished, socialised and worked with a good few travellers and I have to say most have been very agreeable however, whenever the dids used to pitch up in Canterbury the trouble they caused and the utter filth the left behind endeared them to nobody. They really do make a rod for their own back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenman99 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Whens one of these reporters going to ask the 'women' where all the men are as they are NEVER on TV. Same on the 'the big fat pykey wedd' any blokes had there faces planked out!! Just an observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88b Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Whens one of these reporters going to ask the 'women' where all the men are as they are NEVER on TV. Same on the 'the big fat pykey wedd' any blokes had there faces planked out!! Just an observation. The men never show their faces for obvious reasons. I keep an old digital camera in the garage and frequently take pictures of them as they drive past my house, I'd say one in three jumps out and threatens me, any of them see me they try and hide their faces. I live about 8 miles from Dale farm and every day we get at least 3 lots of them driving past in the hopes of scrap metal or anything else they can get. We have friends that live less than 3 miles from Dale farm ,they can't sell their house. The local infants school has been ruined by the "travellers" and local kids now go to school in Wickford or Billericay. We had them in a skip in my neighbours garden throwing the contents over our gardens looking for metal, that one took the police nine hours to phone back not turn up for a pregnant woman too frightened to tell them to leave. My sister in law works in a Basildon school , one of the women there is a traveller living ( existing ) on an official site, if they are out of their caravan for more than a few hours they have to take anything of value with them or the others steal it. There must be some honest decent travellers I've just not met them yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenman99 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I have a couple of 'Romany' family friend's from the 40/50's generation that live in houses & i would trust them & there children without question. They were brought up to respect law & order, but don't we all duck n dive??? Turned out to be great shooting mates too! fenman99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I understand that these homes have been in place for 10 years, why has this taken so long to address? Do the static and brick built ones have post codes and are they liable for council tax? Does the community as a whole contribute anything to the council? The bottom line is this: They have built on Greenbelt land without permission, now the stuff they built will be removed as a result. Same rules as everybody else in the land has to abide by! You cannot be fairer than that, or do they want to be treated differently than the rest of us, something they all complain about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) Unfortunately all of my dealings with ****** sorry, travellers, have been bad. That starts as a teen on a South London council estate and has continued for the next 30 years all over the South East of the country. We have 3 illegal camps around Brighton at the moment, each one a dirty, illegal blight on the park/down land they choose to squat on. I can honestly say that in that time I've met a good few and have yet to find an honest, decent law abiding one yet. As such, I'd call it as I find it and say they deserve to be subjected to the strong arm of the law...for once. Jeremy Vine was talking about this on his Radio 2 show yesterday, it was pointed out that the travellers don't NEED to be on this site at all, there are several other approved sites around the country with hard standing and amenities laid on...that are EMPTY as they have chosen not to use them. Edited for typos. Edited August 31, 2011 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 The list of "crimes" could be applied to just about anywhere - some a whole lot worse. Are travellers to blame for gang warfare? I assume you're referring to my post and it's list of crimes. They might well be applied anywhere for all I know but I'm referring to them specifically in my village because I saw it happening. It's interesting that the crimes were not happening before the 'travellers' arrived, happened a lot when they were present, then stopped happening completely when they left. This was a rural community. A massive coincidence? I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Could these Irish travellers not sod off back to Ireland. Sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) I was in Crays Hill at lunchtime today. I saw an ITV satelite van and a helicopter. This thing is gonna kick off. The Dale Farm site is about 5 minutes drive from where I work and 15 minutes approx from where I live. I have hardly seen any of the people that live there to be honest. I understand that there has to be one law for all but kicking them off is gonna cost £18 million (if I have it correct?) I struggle to see the value in moving them. Spend the money on relocating the direct neighbours and forming an exclusion zone around the place. Then make them go legal paying council tax, applying for planning etc. Edited August 31, 2011 by ME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Could these Irish travellers not sod off back to Ireland. Sorted you nasty man KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Some people on here seem to think that it is a country place. It may be called Dale Farm but it is the site of an old breakers yard next to the A127 - a busy dual carriageway. It is not a prime business land or residential land. It could quite easily be made into a contained area. They could contain the site, make one entrance and it wouldn't have much of an effect. Obviously the local Transit dealers want them to stay too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holly Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 if they are true travellers then they should just keep travelling simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I was in Crays Hill at lunchtime today. I saw an ITV satelite van and a helicopter. This thing is gonna kick off. The Dale Farm site is about 5 minutes drive from where I work and 15 minutes approx from where I live. I have hardly seen any of the people that live there to be honest. I understand that there has to be one law for all but kicking them off is gonna cost £18 million (if I have it correct?) I struggle to see the value in moving them. Spend the money on relocating the direct neighbours and forming an exclusion zone around the place. Then make them go legal paying council tax, applying for planning etc. set up camp and make the locals lives hell, then when the locals have had enough make the locals you know the non travelling taxpaying community move so they become the travellers, then the proper travellers (you know the ones who did not really travel for 10 years) will become the locals, what a spiffingly good idea wonder why the council never thought of that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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