Whats the point of working sometimes

[Chard]

I was taught as a kid you get out of live what you prepaired to put in,if you work hard at what you want to achieve then why should you not reep the benefits.

 

 

I'm not sure what your point is, other than to wheel out some tired old cliche.

 

I don't need people preaching to me about what I put in and don't put in.

 

I have owned my own business for about 13 years, which was initially successful. We then hit a bad patch, I had to sell my home, one of our two cars and make all manner of cutbacks, as the business could no longer afford to pay me.

 

Working Families Tax Credits (benefits) was a Godsend. It enabled me to survive long enough to get the business back on track, without having to go with some knee-jerk reaction, shut it all down and go out and get some **** job.

 

It is now getting back on track, it's not like it used to be, but it's on the mend, and I no longer need the safety net.

 

What I won't tolerate is some cheap cornholing ****bag calling me a ******* scrounger because I needed a safety net for a year or two.

 

As I said earlier, I'm waiting for the day when one of these sanctimonious ********* needs that safety net, I'll laugh in their face.

[shaun4860]

I'm not sure what your point is, other than to wheel out some tired old cliche.

 

I don't need people preaching to me about what I put in and don't put in.

 

I have owned my own business for about 13 years, which was initially successful. We then hit a bad patch, I had to sell my home, one of our two cars and make all manner of cutbacks, as the business could no longer afford to pay me.

 

Working Families Tax Credits (benefits) was a Godsend. It enabled me to survive long enough to get the business back on track, without having to go with some knee-jerk reaction, shut it all down and go out and get some **** job.

 

It is now getting back on track, it's not like it used to be, but it's on the mend, and I no longer need the safety net.

 

What I won't tolerate is some cheap cornholing ****bag calling me a ******* scrounger because I needed a safety net for a year or two.

 

As I said earlier, I'm waiting for the day when one of these sanctimonious ********* needs that safety net, I'll laugh in their face.

 

 

As has been said, it must be nice to be able to live in ivory towers and throw insults at the peasants

 

[leeds chimp]

I'm not sure what your point is, other than to wheel out some tired old cliche.

 

I don't need people preaching to me about what I put in and don't put in.

 

I have owned my own business for about 13 years, which was initially successful. We then hit a bad patch, I had to sell my home, one of our two cars and make all manner of cutbacks, as the business could no longer afford to pay me.

 

Working Families Tax Credits (benefits) was a Godsend. It enabled me to survive long enough to get the business back on track, without having to go with some knee-jerk reaction, shut it all down and go out and get some **** job.

 

It is now getting back on track, it's not like it used to be, but it's on the mend, and I no longer need the safety net.

 

What I won't tolerate is some cheap cornholing ****bag calling me a ******* scrounger because I needed a safety net for a year or two.

 

As I said earlier, I'm waiting for the day when one of these sanctimonious ********* needs that safety net, I'll laugh in their face.

:thumbs: :thumbs:

 

Little one came along when not expected, council were no help for a house (long story) had to get a mortgage but took nearly a year for it to be sorted due to one problem after another...we moved in with my Mother in Law for 6-9 months while we saved for a deposit...got the mortgage but could only do it over 16 yeas (another long story) and the last 2/3 years have been a struggle and still are till some finance stuff it sorted. The tax credits just about make it worthwhile for SWMBO to actually go to work but now might have to look again

 

I was taught as a kid you get out of live what you prepaired to put in,if you work hard at what you want to achieve then why should you not reep the benefits.

 

because sometimes the jobs are not out there for people...I would have lovedto go to Uni and do a business course but was not able due to the financial side at the time in my family...So i do the best I can with what I got at school and college

[Scully]

Before anyone thinks I was looking down my nose or belittling the OP with my post,I would like to make it clear that at one time I seriously considered packing it all in and living off benefits;the only thing which kept me going was the fact I didn't want my kids brought up that way.

Lost a very good job 6 months before my first child was born,and being in a very rural area job prospects were zilch,so decided to go self-employed.Work was very slow to come in and in 6 months all redundancy money had gone;I literally dreaded hearing the mail drop through the letter box each day in case it was a bill.Work started to come in eventually,then missus got pregnant(complete accident!)which turned out to be twins.I was cockahoop,got stuck in and when they were born one had severe problems which meant trailing over to Freemans in Newcastle two or three times a week as well as all that self-employment entails.

He died,missus couldn't handle it and fell apart;more unpaid time off work,resulting in lost jobs.

There is nothing funny about laying awake at night wondering where your next mortgage payment is coming from,but you carry on;what alternative is there?

I see people on benefits having a better social life than me;(I no longer smoke and very rarely drink)and often say to my other half that I sometimes wonder if we wouldn't be better off on benefits.I would certainly be under much less stress.I don't mind working for a living...I'm just sick of ******* struggling to make one.

I know exactly where the OP is coming from.

[Thunderbird]

I'm not sure what your point is, other than to wheel out some tired old cliche.

 

I don't need people preaching to me about what I put in and don't put in.

 

I have owned my own business for about 13 years, which was initially successful. We then hit a bad patch, I had to sell my home, one of our two cars and make all manner of cutbacks, as the business could no longer afford to pay me.

 

Working Families Tax Credits (benefits) was a Godsend. It enabled me to survive long enough to get the business back on track, without having to go with some knee-jerk reaction, shut it all down and go out and get some **** job.

 

It is now getting back on track, it's not like it used to be, but it's on the mend, and I no longer need the safety net.

 

What I won't tolerate is some cheap cornholing ****bag calling me a ******* scrounger because I needed a safety net for a year or two.

 

As I said earlier, I'm waiting for the day when one of these sanctimonious ********* needs that safety net, I'll laugh in their face.

 

Well said

[gibspoon]

When I'm the president I'll solve half the problem in one fell swoop- stop giving out dole money, and instead,give tokens for food and essentials. Why should tax-payers pay for someone elses' luxuries, like fags and alcohol And ultimatley that costs even more money because they clog up the NHS. I'm not saying give NO money, but definately only a small percentage of the overall benefit.

 

And I'd make long term 'jobseekers' do voluntary jobs, even if it was just in charity shops. You don't get nothin' for nothing, I was always taught.

 

PS, I'm not knocking family tax credits, only the true scroungers.

Edited July 4, 2012 by gibspoon

[harry flashman]

I pay quite a lot of tax and I have no issue with it going to people who need it, like the OP, I've had some lucky breaks and I know some others haven't.

 

I do have a massive issue with calling my GP this morning and being asked if I wanted to hear the options in bangladeshi. Perhaps if we didn't provide translation services to foreigners who can't even be bothered to learn the language to use our public services for free, we would have enough money to help our own who need it.

 

Local labour party office also has signs outside for the voters who can't speak the language too.

 

Insane.

[teddy boy]

no point in moaning about benefits, it's all been said before. but what you need to remember later on in life when your children have grown up, been to uni and have secured decent jobs. it's your, and your wifes hard graft that helped put them where they are today.it just gives a little satisfaction never having to sit in front of someone giving the ins and out of a d---- ----. people in genuine need sorry about your plight and hope things improve. the others, well. A.T.B.

[.philmypower.]

Well said

[keg]

I think the whole point of it is the one Leeds Chimp makes. It was never intended as a salary, purely a safety net.

[reddan]

renewed the tax credits last week and got the letter today to confirm it all.

Since i did overtime last year to make up for what i lost when i was off with my eye operations and i earnt a bit more than i thought i would.

 

They have deducted £130 a month off the payment. Thats near enough what i get paid before tax for the 2 shifts extra i was doing. Whats the point of doing the extra if i actually lose more money doing It? Thats the problem with the whole benefit system. Taking money away for people that WANT to work hard to get a better life.

 

Would be better off if myself and partner were on the dole or just did not work as many hours each

 

 

I sent the IR a letter about a month ago saying they owed me £300 in overpaid tax they sent me a letter back saying I owed them £450 in overpaid tax credits, i haven't had any for a couple of years.

That's tax for you.

[leeds chimp]

some good comments

[compo90]

 

 

And I'd make long term 'jobseekers' do voluntary jobs, even if it was just in charity shops. You don't get nothin' for nothing, I was always taught.

 

PS, I'm not knocking family tax credits, only the true scroungers.

 

 

In JAPAN the unemployed are employed by the local council's for their benefit money, including some standing on the front of road works with a yellow jacket pointing the way around the workers.

 

I think that long term unemployed being forced to do such menial tasks may make a fair few of them look for alternative (read better) employment , and would give them the benefit of learning what its like to have a job and would even get them someone to write a reference for them (the supervisor of what ever menial job they were forced to do)

 

some on this thread have confused tax credits with the dole, tax credits are for those trying and working who dont earn a lot, rather than for those who cant be ***** to work at all and claim the dole.

 

But as i said earlier if someone doesn't earn a lot why are we taxing them at all

[shaun4860]

And I'd make long term 'jobseekers' do voluntary jobs, even if it was just in charity shops. You don't get nothin' for nothing, I was always taught.

 

 

And we are back to slave labour again,

 

this was done a while ago in another benefits thread

 

[fenboy]

Now I like you a lot mate, we've met a few times now and you've been nice as pie. And fair do's on going to work when you'd actually be better off claiming on the dole or whatever. Kudos for you. I also fully appreciate everybody is different and each and everyone of us are in different situations.

 

But (obviously that was coming), I cannot for the life of me see how you can bring this up when you have this as your signature;

 

a bad days fishing is better than a good days working..

 

CZ 452 silhouette Sound Mod and Bushnell 4-12 x 40 scope

 

Marlin 917VS, Custom .17HMR, DM80 Mod, MTC Viper 4-16x50

 

Breda 12G O/U Double Trigger non E/J shotgun--Gone to a better home

 

Benelli 12G 0/U Single Trigger E/J shotgun

 

Browning B2000 S/A 12G shotgun

 

Hatsan Escort Magnum S/A 12G

 

BASC Member

 

Slot for Shotguns so if you are selling please let me know.

 

 

Now I'm a very firm believer in "I earn the money so I'll spend the money". I think everybody should have a hobby and have a getaway from the daily toils of life. But when you have commitments, you drop these hobbies and become frugal and do what you can - surely Shirley?!? How many nursery sessions could you get if you sold that lot and cut back on shooting!?!

 

Again, I really think you're a nice guy so don't take it really personally. I'd have said the same to whoever the OP was.

 

Xxx

 

But you don't know him well enough , to know some of the guns were given him, or that despite being skint when he did manage to buy a new gun he gave his other away to help get youngsters shooting rather than sell it. (oddjob could confirm) and with no disrespect to Matt its hardly a list of top end guns is it.

I think a bloke that works more than 60hrs a week , week in week out deserves a hobby or two and after both shooting and fishing with Matt on a number of occasions I can say everything is done on a budget.

What a lot of people seem to fail to grasp in this topic is this simple fact YOU SHOULD NEVER BE BETTER OFF ON BENEFIT THAN WHEN WORKING .

[vole]

The fact is that with 3 million unemployed , there has to be 3 million people willing to remain on the dole and we need to support them somehow or they will rob the rest of us blind .

Likewise there is a large portion of working people who need a leg up to function in the job market , if that means child support then it is worth it . I believe this sector provides the majority of the labour needed to run our country . Not their fault that an honest weeks work no longer pays for necessities such as childcare and fuel . At least the badly off workers will give their kids a good work ethic .

Can there not be a bit more cameraderie on a shooting forum rather than the " sell your guns " message ?

[shaun4860]

The fact is that with 3 million unemployed , there has to be 3 million people willing to remain on the dole and we need to support them somehow or they will rob the rest of us blind .

Likewise there is a large portion of working people who need a leg up to function in the job market , if that means child support then it is worth it . I believe this sector provides the majority of the labour needed to run our country . Not their fault that an honest weeks work no longer pays for necessities such as childcare and fuel . At least the badly off workers will give their kids a good work ethic .

Can there not be a bit more cameraderie on a shooting forum rather than the " sell your guns " message ?

 

 

[keg]

I don't see how being asked to work for benfits is slave labour, you are being paid for doing something.

 

 

The daft girly who refused to work in poundland needs a dose of reality,i did farmwork, YTS, back to farm, car parts, anything to keep me going.

 

Compo's comment is eaxctly right though, why tax somone on low income. Gormless Gordon and Blunderer Balls came up with that one!

[kdubya]

 

What a lot of people seem to fail to grasp in this topic is this simple fact YOU SHOULD NEVER BE BETTER OFF ON BENEFIT THAN WHEN WORKING .

 

 

Thats an easy fix get the employers to pay a decent wage, all I see here is constant bleating about "scuffers" on benefit this, idle **** on benefit that, or why should they get tax credits etc etc, now the tax credits bit grips my todds too, why the **** should anyone working have to have their income "supported" make the greedy employers pay a living wage, and if that means they have to dip into their back pockets a bit more so be it, and if it means sending a van full of low paid hot bunkers back over the channel even better

 

KW

[Caisterboy]

The fact is that with 3 million unemployed , there has to be 3 million people willing to remain on the dole and we need to support them somehow or they will rob the rest of us blind .

Likewise there is a large portion of working people who need a leg up to function in the job market , if that means child support then it is worth it . I believe this sector provides the majority of the labour needed to run our country . Not their fault that an honest weeks work no longer pays for necessities such as childcare and fuel . At least the badly off workers will give their kids a good work ethic .

Can there not be a bit more cameraderie on a shooting forum rather than the " sell your guns " message ?

 

 

Hear hear - there really are a lot of "i'm alright Jack" and anybody claiming benefits must be lazy scum attitudes in this discussion :( - dont forget that peoples circumstances change for many reasons - bad health, divorce, bad partners, businesses going under etc etc. Everybody needs help sometime in their lives whether it is sooner or later so lets not forget it as it might be you next!

[fenboy]

Thats an easy fix get the employers to pay a decent wage, all I see here is constant bleating about "scuffers" on benefit this, idle **** on benefit that, or why should they get tax credits etc etc, now the tax credits bit grips my todds too, why the **** should anyone working have to have their income "supported" make the greedy employers pay a living wage, and if that means they have to dip into their back pockets a bit more so be it, and if it means sending a van full of low paid hot bunkers back over the channel even better

 

KW

 

And what about the employers who are not greedy , what about those small businesses that are struggling , paying the minimum wage could be the difference between them floating or sinking , so they pay more then sink and more go on the dole for the like of you and me to pay for , good plan --------not

[pimpkiller]

Hows this from the telegraph - A third of all state benefit is paid to people who are on an above average wage. If you look at the breakdown of what state benefit is spent on not including state pension the vast majority is housing/council tax/child benefit. You can see what the problem is Cost of living vs "average" earnings, if the average joe could earn a proper crust and if everthing was more affordable there wouldnt be any need for such high taxation then trying to scrabble a slice back.

 

It always does my head in when the government/media focus on the disabled when what is spent actualy on the disabled is extremely low compared to frankly subsidizing peoples wages which helps no-one as it just drives tax/cost of living upwards.

[Catweazle]

I read posts saying that people should have to work for their dole, then in the same breath condemning tax credits. Isn't a tax credit a way of getting someone off the dole and into useful employment ?

 

Some of these tax-credit supported jobs are horrible, I don't think many people want to work in menial low-paid jobs, but at least they've got off their ***** and made an effort.

 

I have no problem with my tax money going to help people who are trying to help themselves, pity there aren't more of them.

[jacksdad]

There's 2 distinct groups on here, one is the normal, realistic peeps like Leeds Chimp, Chard, Caister, me, who know things aren't perfect and that MOST people on benefits don't want to be there: then there's the others who make Hitler look reasonable!

Has it escaped the latters' notice that we are in a deep economic hole, that more and more people are losing jobs, homes, etc. every day, that the country is going under?

[pimpkiller]

yeah so wheres all the money going to come from? and I suppose the bigger picture is where are the cuts going to land?