Cranfield Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I also think BlaserF3 was correct with his diagnosis, but my advice to Bigamos would have been to take the gun back and keep his fingers crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Why on earth would the dealer return it to GMK if it just needs lubing? It actually damages the gun where the surface rubs together, just like a friction seizure in an engine. Next time you're in gun shop ask the owner if you can remove the fore-end from some of the "starter" end of shotguns, you'll be surprised how many show the same symptoms due to lack of correct lubrication. Even the most expensive guns need lubricating otherwise they will be damaged too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Even ferrari,s brake down Beretta do seem to be having some issues....... sticking barrel selectors, stiff actions, dodgy stock finishes particularly in the rain... Perhaps the quality control or inspection process has changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Cannot beat a bit of lube be it spit or oil's im sure we can all agree on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 (edited) I have only ever bought one new gun (though I have bought many used) and it was a Beretta, about 10 years ago. It came with a small bottle of thick Beretta oil and I was instructed by the selling dealer where to smear a drop of oil BEFORE EVERY USE for the first few 1000 rounds. Areas were the forend/receiver joint, the 'hinge' and the top of the locking lugs on the barrels where they engage the top bolt. I was told this was like 'running in' a car and if I didn't do this, then the metal would possibly 'pick up' and be damaged. I followed the instructions carefully and the gun is perfect, tight, but smooth to this day having had many thousands of rounds through it. What might have happened if I hadn't followed this advice, I cannot say. Edited November 3, 2012 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Best of buying an old SH beretta these new ones are poorly finished IMHO and that of my gun dealer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wj939 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 I was in the london gallery a few months back. Brand new EELL and the rib joint was so poor the guys words were "I guess enzo was ******" . Another had cheap wood to metal fit. A friend has sent two silver pigs back for pitting within 6 weeks. It seems beretta is going down hill :( Lube or not the gun should never get "really stiff" and perhaps tale a step back the only person in the know that has seen the gun returned it to GMK. I think there might have been more to it than just lube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 BlaserF3 (Mike) suggested a cause for the damage, but some - who have never seen the gun either - are adamant that it was not down to a lack of lubrication. They are entitled to their opinion. Still can't comprehend why the odd poster is having a pop at Mike. He made a valid point, which some did not wish to consider. I think he was correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Considering the hardness of the steel in this,high wear,area,if the parts fitted correctly and were not subjected to heat or grit then the gun should function well enough.This sounds like a problem with the fit of the forend iron-is the forend tight as it closes?As for the poster who mentioned guns being made by CNC-this doesn't have any bearing on the quality of a gun-CNC's get a tool to your workpiece faster than a manual machine but quality is ultimatly down to the engineer operating the machine. I bought a new silver pig a few months back-the safety catch needed 2 thumbs to move it and the wood/metal fit was appaling,I fired 15 cartridges thru it before sending it back,the dealer said that I has worn the finish off the stock(after 15 shells???) on one side and was reluctant to replace the gun but eventually refunded my money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wj939 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Each to their own on this one, I think the point people were trying to make is that this can happen on guns with no lube but in this instance it would seem those that thought it was something more than lube guessed right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 I'm surprised that the gun wasn't given a bit of oil or grease by the factory or at least by the dealer when he did his pre-sale inspection. Very poor form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Following a number of complaints, several posts have been removed. Please keep personal disagreements off the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMMER BURT Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 iam a real fan of beretta shotguns but the newer guns dont seem as well put together as they did, maybe beretta have got quility issues that need addressing i looked at a new DT11 a while back and for £5750 quid the wood was very furniture looking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 I think it's the way with something which is produced in any quantity to suit the more budget conscious. That's what the SP1 was marketed as and it's a very good package for the money. Mine has performed flawlessly and has - I think - actually improved my shooting because I know it fits and I know I can shoot well with it. You can get them new for an average of about £1300-odd which is cracking value for a gun which may outlast you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Following a number of complaints, several posts have been removed. Please keep personal disagreements off the forum. Well said zapp ! Following a number of complaints, several posts have been removed. Please keep personal disagreements off the forum. Well said zapp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoz82 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 I think it's the way with something which is produced in any quantity to suit the more budget conscious. That's what the SP1 was marketed as and it's a very good package for the money. Mine has performed flawlessly and has - I think - actually improved my shooting because I know it fits and I know I can shoot well with it. You can get them new for an average of about £1300-odd which is cracking value for a gun which may outlast you. +1 my sp1 has been faultless !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Should have got a browning ,lol :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Should have got a browning ,lol :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 ive had a 686e from new now nearly 3 years old and it hasnt done that and i never lubricate mine it gets put back in my gun room after having the barrels wiped over with an old oily rag to remove finger prints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markws80 Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) Its new take it back, Should have got a browning Edited November 6, 2012 by markws80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoz82 Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Its new take it back, Should have got a browning Ye get a browning if you like a gun that handles like a fence post lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Should have got a browning ,lol :D Even though your statement is quite clearly ludicrous because Brownings are for girls and homosexuals, I respect the fact that you didn't say; "Should of got a browning." If I was wearing a hat I would take it off to you sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I wish you hadn't said that Thunderbird-I have just bought a Browning and now i'm a Lesbian-gonna need a whole new wardrobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I wish you hadn't said that Thunderbird-I have just bought a Browning and now i'm a Lesbian-gonna need a whole new wardrobe. You and me both, not to mention an new girlfriend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) Brownings are for girls and homosexuals That clears a few things up! Edited November 9, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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