Bloke Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 http://www.dailymail...on-shotgun.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) I have a lot of sympathy for the victims but none for him. If we are to believe the article:- He was drunk Had a faulty shotgun Had it loaded out of the stand. Pointed it at people Shot 3 people But it wasn't his fault because he didn't pull the trigger! Edited November 22, 2012 by Dekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Great picture of 'the' poorly made shotgun which I doubt very much is 'the' shotgun used,but is a large magazine capacity military/police type model.That aside,it just goes to show,the only way to ensure no one gets shot is to never ever point that barrel at anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Useful verdict though when seeking compensation - no one else is responsible for the injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 The mind boggles! Just goes to show how beneficial having access to a clever barrister can do for you! Be interesting when it's renewal time! Why would some one who is described as wealthy be using a el cheapo pump action at a " pro shoot" as it's described? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Hatstand by chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Hatstand by chance? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 I can't quite believe just how understanding the victims are. One has umpteen pellets still inside him. I would want him jailed for a long time. The man was drunk, dangerous and still won't fully admit responsibility:- Richards had thought he was sober at the time of the incident was ‘not fully cognisant’ of his condition, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) Mr Wheeler, of Stinchcombe, said it had been a ‘terrible reckless act’ by Richards but he did not want to see him locked up for it. ' 'I was shot in my arm and chest,' he said. 'The doctors left the pellets in there because they say that’s safer than to remove them. 'I have around 140 inside me and I can feel them. I also have a blank patch on my chest where my iPhone protected me. It was ruined, as well as my watch. gets shot with 140 pellets. complains that his watch is ruined. Edited November 22, 2012 by artschool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) I have a lot of sympathy for the victims but none for him. If we are to believe the article:- He was drunk Had a faulty shotgun Had it loaded out of the stand. Pointed it at people Shot 3 people But it wasn't his fault because he didn't pull the trigger! Yes! It's rather interesting when they investigate the Gun and find the pins leave dents in the primers BUT they didn't go off If you hold the trigger on some pumps while racking, the shot goes as soon as the action closes. I rather think his finger WAS on the trigger. This would explain why 2 shots were fired "outside of the stand"! Surely if it discharged once it had to be racked again? The racking was certainly no accident then! I rather think there is MORE to this than is being told by the parties involved! Edited November 22, 2012 by Lord Geordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 I can't quite believe just how understanding the victims are. One has umpteen pellets still inside him. I would want him jailed for a long time. The man was drunk, dangerous and still won't fully admit responsibility:- I wounder if wealth has something to do with the understanding ? Or has someone been prattling about to give him a fright I have seen people do some strange things in the name of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobC1990 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrapFiller Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Might have been a hatsan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) If you hold the trigger on some pumps while racking, the shot goes as soon as the action closes. I rather think his finger WAS on the trigger. This would explain why 2 shots were fired "outside of the stand"! I have hear dof this (Slam fire?) is it "legal" guess technically its the same as a trigger Two firearms experts found Richards’ gun was poorly made and could discharge by itself because of a fault that left the firing pin pressing against the cartridge. in proof? Defence barrister Kannan Siva said that since the incident the owner of the shooting site had made significant changes to the layout, moving the ammunition bins so they did not require a shooter to turn around so far at a stand. eh? Edited November 22, 2012 by HDAV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 It's a defence barrister. They'd say anything to show that their client was not responsible for his own actions. No matter that he was grossly negligent, knowing that he was drunk and shooting. No matter that he had a loaded gun, not pointing out of the front of the cage. No matter that he broke the cardinal rules of weapon handling. No matter that he had a badly maintained gun. To a defence barrister, those are minor details. I would, however, seriously hope that his SGC is revoked, as he is plainly not 'of temperate character', and reckless in his behaviour around firearms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Does anyone know which shoot this happened at? Says Gloucester area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Is there any suggestion he was a SGC holder ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 I can't imagine a clay ground having a 'club' gun that was a pump, so that is an assumption on my part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) And not one comment asking for guns to be banned. Not yet. How long do you think it will be? Edited November 22, 2012 by Reece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 I have hear dof this (Slam fire?) is it "legal" guess technically its the same as a trigger It's legal for a pump-action shotgun to slam-fire. 1897 Winchesters do it, I believe. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrapFiller Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 It's legal for a pump-action shotgun to slam-fire. 1897 Winchesters do it, I believe. J. Ithaca m37 do it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 What a disgrace to the sport! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 should lose his sgc for good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 If he is a license holder and a regular clay shooter he is an absolute disgrace. I have the up most sympathy for those shot, it cannot have been a pleasant experience. I think the stock picture the paper has used is a little provocative, considering that the gun he used was apparently SGC restricted, with the stock photo used showing an extended magazine, tactical additions such as a heat shield and pistol grip. That combined with the header 'Dangerous' leaves a lasting impression in the readers mind. Also the commenter 'PhilUpNorth' is speaking like he is a shooter, yet come across as someone who has shot very little or is making a lot up. I know of only a few clay shooters with bars, where as he claims many have them. He also claims many shoots ban pump action and semi autos, I have yet to find a shoot that has banned either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlagUp Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 This is why anyone seen being casual with where they point their gun must be challenged immediately. I wouldn't be surprised if there had been earlier opportunities to pull him up about his muzzle awareness. I'm amazed there wasn't more damage done from only 10 feet distance even with clay cartridges! If he was three times the driving limit the morning after, he must have been in a mess the night before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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